7s are Mid-engines?
12-08-06, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Mazda has always referred to the engine as being "front midship". You can find this reference in the Yamaguchi books.
12-08-06, 01:31 PM
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if you wan to get totally technical about it, then really there is no such thing as front midship, because as quite a few people are saying, there should be no relationship to the driver, front is explaining relation to the driver. so technically it is just an mr. just my 2 cents
12-08-06, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tuns0ffun65
if you wan to get totally technical about it, then really there is no such thing as front midship, because as quite a few people are saying, there should be no relationship to the driver, front is explaining relation to the driver. so technically it is just an mr. just my 2 cents
Front could also mean it's ahead of the center of the car, which just happens to be the area of the driver in a 7.
12-08-06, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by finishline
RX7 MRs? i play GT4, and 7s are NOT MRs. the engine's in the front of course, with rear wheel drive.
it's freakin FR. whoever told you that is a weird one.
it's freakin FR. whoever told you that is a weird one.
12-08-06, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by My5ABaby
Didn't Mazda use the term front-midship? It makes sense by denoting it's a mid-engine design that's located in the front of the car...
12-08-06, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by anewconvert
that being said you can call our car, or the vette, or the F430 a front engined car because thats where the engine is. No one will call you out for being stupid.
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12-08-06, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Keisuke Takahashi
Due to the weight distribution of the RX-7 to be 50/50 straight from the factory, like an MR, it is considered to a front-mid engined, rear wheel drive vehicle.
12-08-06, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jurr1981
Right so when everybody thought the earth was flat, those who knew better should have just went along with it and not argued?
Whether its 1" or 4 feet behind the front wheels, it is still behind them. This is one of many attributes that make our cars unique. So if someone say RX-7s are FR, I will correct them and say, actually its FMR, explaining that its an MR with the engine in front of the driver. (though as a couple other people said, the relative position of the driver to the engine is really of minor importance when talking about the physics of a car.)
Whether its 1" or 4 feet behind the front wheels, it is still behind them. This is one of many attributes that make our cars unique. So if someone say RX-7s are FR, I will correct them and say, actually its FMR, explaining that its an MR with the engine in front of the driver. (though as a couple other people said, the relative position of the driver to the engine is really of minor importance when talking about the physics of a car.)
We have all established what the RX7 is, but no matter what the technical specifications of them are, the average person will still call it a FR... I dont see the big ******* deal. NOOO, its just behind the centerline of the front crossmember! Its MID!!! Waaa Waaa Waaa
12-08-06, 03:21 PM
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It'd be more akin to calling the Earth spherical. Technically, it's not. When you're dealing with very precise measurements (like gravity at the poles versus the equator at sea level) you may have to take that into account. In most cases, approximating it as a sphere works (for rough gravitational estimates).
Our car is technically not a front-engine car, but a mid-engine car. When dealing with it with very precise measurements (like polar moment of inertia with respect to handling) you may have to take that into account. In most cases, approximating it as a FR car works (for rough handling estimates).
Our car is technically not a front-engine car, but a mid-engine car. When dealing with it with very precise measurements (like polar moment of inertia with respect to handling) you may have to take that into account. In most cases, approximating it as a FR car works (for rough handling estimates).
12-08-06, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
yes, cause both arguments are so similar... We have all established what the RX7 is, but no matter what the technical specifications of them are, the average person will still call it a FR... I dont see the big ******* deal. NOOO, its just behind the centerline of the front crossmember! Its MID!!! Waaa Waaa Waaa
We have all established what the RX7 is, but no matter what the technical specifications of them are, the average person will still call it a FR... I dont see the big ******* deal. NOOO, its just behind the centerline of the front crossmember! Its MID!!! Waaa Waaa Waaa
12-08-06, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by My5ABaby
This is an RX7 forum filled with people who either know what they're talking about or want to learn. Thus, who gives a crap what average people call it?
12-08-06, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bunchies
I don't see how on earth you can call the F430 a front engine car at all. Regardless of driver.
Edit:Here's some info about the Speed Racer movie: http://imdb.com/title/tt0811080. Its being written and directed by the Wachowski Brothers (as Icemark said) and is supposed to come out in 2008. They are still casting, but I'm curious about who is going to play the main people.
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12-08-06, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
yes, cause both arguments are so similar... :wallbash
We should keep in mind tho that one of the reasons why the FC has the 50-50 weight balance is because of the fact the the motor is mounted behind the front axel. So in this case the "few inches" we are talking about really does make a difference.
12-08-06, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bunchies
I don't see how on earth you can call the F430 a front engine car at all. Regardless of driver.
yea, your right. i was thinking of something along the 575M. So some reason i thought the F430 was FMR
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12-09-06, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Goofy
It'd be more akin to calling the Earth spherical. Technically, it's not. When you're dealing with very precise measurements (like gravity at the poles versus the equator at sea level) you may have to take that into account. In most cases, approximating it as a sphere works (for rough gravitational estimates).
Our car is technically not a front-engine car, but a mid-engine car. When dealing with it with very precise measurements (like polar moment of inertia with respect to handling) you may have to take that into account. In most cases, approximating it as a FR car works (for rough handling estimates).
Our car is technically not a front-engine car, but a mid-engine car. When dealing with it with very precise measurements (like polar moment of inertia with respect to handling) you may have to take that into account. In most cases, approximating it as a FR car works (for rough handling estimates).
nice.
12-09-06, 09:15 AM
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I wonder if the same people argueing about FR vs FMR vs MR are the same people that argue about v8 swaps because they "throw the balance off"?
When you mod an FD does it maintain 50:50 distribution or does it get rear heavy like a more traditional engine-behind-the-driver MR?
I'd change depending on who i talked to- newbie or InitialD study it's FR, Learned car enthusiast- FMR, i probably wouldn't call it an MR because that evokes ideas of mr2's and the like.
my $0.03
When you mod an FD does it maintain 50:50 distribution or does it get rear heavy like a more traditional engine-behind-the-driver MR?
I'd change depending on who i talked to- newbie or InitialD study it's FR, Learned car enthusiast- FMR, i probably wouldn't call it an MR because that evokes ideas of mr2's and the like.
my $0.03
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