3rd gen in a 2 gen, WHO'S DUNNIT?
12-28-03, 05:01 AM
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thats one humungo turbo.
Didn't the RE Super G do ~450rwhp with a Series 5 motor? A BP, FD UIM, large turbo, and good tuning will easily get you 400+rwhp.
But like reTed said. What are you going to do with it? You're going to need a nice suspension setup, super good tires or slicks, and drivetrain mods to boot.
Good luck.
Didn't the RE Super G do ~450rwhp with a Series 5 motor? A BP, FD UIM, large turbo, and good tuning will easily get you 400+rwhp.
But like reTed said. What are you going to do with it? You're going to need a nice suspension setup, super good tires or slicks, and drivetrain mods to boot.
Good luck.
12-28-03, 05:07 AM
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I don't usually bother looking past the Turbonetics T76, as a 13B just cannot spin anything larger unless you're spraying. You're right - there is a Turbonetics T88, but no 13B I know can spin that huge thing.
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12-30-03, 12:59 PM
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I'm not sure about the RE. Again all the companies i talked to said, unless i re-doweled the motor, It was useless to try and make 400 as the engine was not strong enough to hold that. So its in the past now, I have an 13B-RE motor in the car. Waiting for my friend to get his talon out of the shop in order to get mine down there. I'm seriously thinking about selling the turbo and intercooler to down-size a bit. Anyone have an idea for a good setup for around 400-450 to the wheels?
***The main reason I want to have the power, is to keep the reputation of the 7 sound up here. My friends are all close to completing the high 9/low 10 and 11 second talons/eclipses. So I just wanted to keep the DSM's in the rear view.***
***The main reason I want to have the power, is to keep the reputation of the 7 sound up here. My friends are all close to completing the high 9/low 10 and 11 second talons/eclipses. So I just wanted to keep the DSM's in the rear view.***
12-30-03, 01:52 PM
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actually the Super G does not make that much power. If you watch the Video Option FC special, the part when they dyno the car, mr amemiya himself says that somthing was strange, i think it read 433 hp???? after that when they bring the car to the track, i think there was a caption that stated the car was running more like 350-400 hp.it was in japanese so i dont think most you guys can read it but i dont remember for sure if thats what it said. -alecks
12-30-03, 02:02 PM
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measurements are different in other countries from horsepower (torque as well i'd imagine) to weight (i know german pounds are 10% heavier). the number of watts per horsepower is different as well. hell, not even all american dynos measure closely to one another. don't know how much difference that would yield, just somethin to think about.
12-30-03, 03:43 PM
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Wish I had seen this thread sooner. Please keep it CIVIL and FRIENDLY. Calling people stupid, throwing around insults, etc. is not acceptable. I would hate to have to delete such an informative thread.
12-30-03, 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by casio
measurements are different in other countries from horsepower (torque as well i'd imagine) to weight (i know german pounds are 10% heavier). the number of watts per horsepower is different as well. hell, not even all american dynos measure closely to one another. don't know how much difference that would yield, just somethin to think about.
measurements are different in other countries from horsepower (torque as well i'd imagine) to weight (i know german pounds are 10% heavier). the number of watts per horsepower is different as well. hell, not even all american dynos measure closely to one another. don't know how much difference that would yield, just somethin to think about.
http://fc3spro.com/abb.html
Metric torque is measured in N-m, and these are very small compared to lb-in.
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Originally posted by RETed
I disagree. The 13B-REW from the FD3S has better/deeper rotor bearings...fully machined rotor faces...stronger internal parts...largest ports when comparing both primaries and secondaries...etc. The 13B-REW was the latest turbo 13B that Mazda designed, and it's the "best".
Have you ever taken a 13b-RE engine apart vs the REW. besides the stationary gears both are almost the same engine. look at the outside port on the RE it is around 30% larger then the FD port. Both have postives and negs. but droping in a FC the RE is deffently the way to go. they are easy to drop in. and as for which 13b is the best. check out the big number drag cars in AUS. the RE is the king due to the enlarged ports and stronger casting on the plates. Both are great engines i prefer the RE though
I guess you're satisfied with the lag from the T76 or filling your nitrous bottle every other day.
Tell that to all the drag racer who break these things every race weekend.
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I disagree. The 13B-REW from the FD3S has better/deeper rotor bearings...fully machined rotor faces...stronger internal parts...largest ports when comparing both primaries and secondaries...etc. The 13B-REW was the latest turbo 13B that Mazda designed, and it's the "best".
Have you ever taken a 13b-RE engine apart vs the REW. besides the stationary gears both are almost the same engine. look at the outside port on the RE it is around 30% larger then the FD port. Both have postives and negs. but droping in a FC the RE is deffently the way to go. they are easy to drop in. and as for which 13b is the best. check out the big number drag cars in AUS. the RE is the king due to the enlarged ports and stronger casting on the plates. Both are great engines i prefer the RE though
I guess you're satisfied with the lag from the T76 or filling your nitrous bottle every other day.
Tell that to all the drag racer who break these things every race weekend.
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01-12-04, 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by jabbasbmfrx7
Have you ever taken a 13b-RE engine apart vs the REW. besides the stationary gears both are almost the same engine. look at the outside port on the RE it is around 30% larger then the FD port.
Have you ever taken a 13b-RE engine apart vs the REW. besides the stationary gears both are almost the same engine. look at the outside port on the RE it is around 30% larger then the FD port.
Yes, the secondary ports are the hugest Mazda has offered from the factory, but maybe you should take a look at the primary intake ports - they are some of the TINIEST intake ports I've seen. My point was if you calculate BOTH the primary intake ports AND the secondary intake ports, the FD3S REW engine has a slight edge in terms of cross-sectional area.
And you're wrong about the stat gears. The FD3S REW rear stat gear bearing is a "9 hole" design, while the Cosmo RE bearing is a "3 window" design. Technically, the 9-hole design is stronger. Mazda also redesigned the FD3S REW front stat gear front to accomodate a "larger area" Torrington bearing.
[B]the RE is the king due to the enlarged ports and stronger casting on the plates.[/B}
that to all the drag racer who break these things every race weekend.
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01-12-04, 12:27 PM
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Just a thought but when i had the intake manifold off of the RE. I remember that both primary and secondary ports were smaller on the REW motor. If you compare gasket sized anyway. Not sure if its the same cross sectional area but, just what i noticed!
PS Not intended as a flame ted, just saying what i saw
PS Not intended as a flame ted, just saying what i saw
01-12-04, 01:00 PM
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Wow. That is a really big turbo. And I though my turbo was big for a street car Well, I'll be curious to see what power you make with it and how the driveability is. Be sure to use a good divided tunned manifold to help spool that sucker... I may opt to sell my mani in the next few months for my second version. 
Good luck and keep us posted!
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Well, I'll be curious to see what power you make with it and how the driveability is. Be sure to use a good divided tunned manifold to help spool that sucker... I may opt to sell my mani in the next few months for my second version. Good luck and keep us posted!
-Chris
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I've mad the decision to go with either the 62-1 or the t-66. I haven't bought it yet but I am sell the 76 for sure. If you know anyone who wants it Please give them my address. SHIZNABOT@yahoo.com
01-12-04, 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by RevinRx7
Just a thought but when i had the intake manifold off of the RE. I remember that both primary and secondary ports were smaller on the REW motor. If you compare gasket sized anyway. Not sure if its the same cross sectional area but, just what i noticed!
PS Not intended as a flame ted, just saying what i saw
Just a thought but when i had the intake manifold off of the RE. I remember that both primary and secondary ports were smaller on the REW motor. If you compare gasket sized anyway. Not sure if its the same cross sectional area but, just what i noticed!
PS Not intended as a flame ted, just saying what i saw
-Ted
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