RevinRx7

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The problem is. I don't have a running engine right now. I bought the TII with low compression and it never got to run it with any of the mods. So i was trying to decide which motor i wanted to use which will be the best to gain power out of. I ended up going with the 13B-RE. I have the mounts already and just need a Clutch and flywheel, and IC piping to complete the job. Thanks for your help though.
Sorry most of the stuff i bought is still useable with this car

DaleClark

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Get or build an '89-91 TII motor. Stronger castings around the dowel pin seats, etc. IMHO swapping in an FD motor is asinine - the 13BT can make TRUCKLOADS of power.

Considering you've never even had the car running well, just get a motor, and get the car running. 400-500 horsepower is not something you get easily - the real trick is in the rest of the setup and the tuning.

Hell, I doubt you've even driven a car with that kind of power - do you really know what you're asking for? 300+ horsepower in an FC is an absolute scary ride.

Just get the car running.

Dale

MaxRX7

drop in a N/A 12A

gsracer

300 rwhp in a FC should be mid-high 12's on street tires, nothing I'd call scary

RETed

WTF, are people getting stupid all of a sudden?
Your engine has low compression and now you want to dive into an engine swap you have no idea how much work is going to cost you?&nbsp Do you even now how much an JDM REW engine costs?&nbsp last time I looked, it was at least $2,000.&nbsp $2,000 gets you a very nice rebuilt 13BT.

You would not be happy with 500hp?&nbsp You want another 100hp on top of that?&nbsp Call me stupid, but there are very little driver that can handle 500hp in an FC.&nbsp I somehow doubt you can handle the power without killing yourself.


-Ted

RevinRx7

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Ted, I have already purchased the 13B-RE, for 1300 dollars the mounts i bought from FC3S.org and I already had spent the money on everything else for the car. So my last step was the motor. I'm not planing to drive around a car that as 450whp all the time. I'm looking for something that has that when i want it. I would most likely be happy with 350 to the wheels. But I've been so indecisive that my last choice was what engine to do. Whos knows if i will be able to handle this car. No i have never driven somthing with this much power, but I am a responsible driver and jumping in a car and acting like a total fool is not something i am going to do. I understand that it is a large number to be going for, and thats what i want. What better way to find out what 450whp feels like than to do it?

RETed

A 3rd gen motor is called the 13B-REW.&nbsp It sounds like you have a "13B-RE" from a Cosmo?&nbsp That's two different things.

I got no problem with the Cosmo swap.&nbsp Good luck!


-Ted

RevinRx7

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Sorry I didn't elaborate on the Ted. I had thrown out the FD motor for for an example, quite a while ago and had learned that the RE fit and thats what i had been thinking. I had been researching the RE's and the REW's fitament and what not. And found that the RE has very similar mounts from the stock TII location. Also with a company already supporting the swap, it was 10x's easier.
I do have one question for you or anyone for that matter, How/What do you use for a TPS on that motor? Do you use the stock TPS or a Haltech TPS? Since i have the haltech i am just wondering.. Thanks for the support.
I just have a few things left and she'll be ready to go. I'm getting real excited.
IC piping, Clutch and flywheel, oil lines and a fan.
And of course some tuning!!

Relisys190

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All i have to say is it's a waste of time/money, the 13BT motor from the Fc's is quite addequate for amounting to that much power your looking for... and another thing... 1fastT2 Up the Shut ****!!! your car is amazing dude, my idol as always.

-Markus

"400-500 Hp? You'll poke your eye out with that thing"

RETed

The Haltech will read off the stock Cosmo RE TPS no problem.&nbsp In fact, the Cosmo RE TPS is the same type as the FD TPS.


-Ted

Mykl

Ok, I have nothing useful to say... but I bust out laughing when I read that. :o

Center of The Universe

Jesus. What are you going to do with that power? I can't think of a single purpose where you would need that much Horsepower. Except for flying.

Center of The Universe

Right.

RevinRx7

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Its a goal I've set and want to attain thats all. Call me stupid, but its just something in my head that i've set a goal for thats all.
No good reason just because

Center of The Universe

BEST REASON TO DO ANYTHING, EVER!

Sponge Bob Square Pants

Bringing this thread back from the dead ...

No wonder everyone thinks 4XX rwhp is insane... this thread is stuck in the 2nd Gen forum hehe

I don't see anything wrong with going for that, sure it's quite a bit, but nothing someone with some comman sense can't handle, and it seems you have the right attitude.

The 13BRE was a great choice for an engine to start with - the best choice as far as 2 rotors are concerned.

Your car should really rip when you get the engine built, ported and your T76 & accessories on it. I'd expect around 450 rwhp @ 16 psi with the proper tuning.

And whoever said the T2 drivetrain can't handle 450 rwhp doesn't have a clue. This is the drivetrain that 90% of 20B swaps use, which usually make at least that much power and oodles more torque.
Just make sure your transmission is in excellent condition, get a good LSD, and it should be fine.

jabbasbmfrx7

I have 2 comming in next week if they are needed. Very nice and much better choice then the FD swap. EAser and makes a little more power.. HAVE you seen the ports!!!! price is 2500 with a turbo 2 tranny. They may also have the ecu and wiring harness attached. i have not had my full call sheet on this. Also i will have 2 13bt availble and a 20b. We can supply the mounts for 200$ on the RE conversion. Ask turbo tony about our engines he has one

Shane Smith
Owner rotaryworks

RETed

I disagree. The 13B-REW from the FD3S has better/deeper rotor bearings...fully machined rotor faces...stronger internal parts...largest ports when comparing both primaries and secondaries...etc. The 13B-REW was the latest turbo 13B that Mazda designed, and it's the "best".


I guess you're satisfied with the lag from the T76 or filling your nitrous bottle every other day.


Tell that to all the drag racer who break these things every race weekend.


-Ted

RevinRx7

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What I think he meant was the "best" choice for a 2nd gen with out spending a bootload to rebuild with 3rd gen internals.
Regardless, I have no idea if i will be happy or not. I realize that low end will be laggy as **** but I'd rather test it out before i sell it. What i don't get is how the 76 is so laggy but the 3rd gens with the 78's aren't??? I guess we'll leave it to the dyno and see whether it will stay or go. I got the turbo for extremely cheap and figure may aswell put it to use.
As for the drivetrain, I could care less. I've got an axel shop that makes axels for all the racing in the area that will make one for cheap. I have plans to swap out the tranny soon. And a nice muscle rear end will do.



P.S. Ted, stop knowing everything! Makes me feel too inferior and have to go learn more.

RETed

A Garrett/Turbonetics "T76" is NOT comparable to a Mitsubishi/GReddy "T78"!  You're trying to compare two different families of turbos, and the numbers do not mean jack **** when comparing the two.  The Mitsubishi T78 is more comparable to the Garrett T66 in terms of power output.  Please do your homework.



-Ted

RevinRx7

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Oops I = dumbass. I was under the impression that they were using the turbonetics 78 and 88. guess i'm way off. SORRY

RETed

I am not aware of a Turbonetics "78" or "88".


-Ted

boosted1205

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Largest Turbonetics turbo is a T76. No T78 or 88. They are Greddy/Mits. turbos.

RevinRx7

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Careful when you say that. Thats not exactly true. I've spent plenty of hours on the Turbonetics site so i've done my homework here. The turbonetics T-76 is the largest of the T series. They do make a T-88 and larger. Its the Thumper series.

http://turboneticsinc.com/thumper.html
This is why I had been confused. I had thought people were running these size turbos on their cars.

boosted1205

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Holy Gimminy Cricket Batman, I haven't seen THAT one.