300whp Turbo Build Q's
03-23-07, 02:54 PM
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300whp Turbo Build Q's
Ok so let me start this off by describing my goals from this setup.
First of all, i do not wan't less than 280 whp from this new setup. I would like to get as much power as i can safely do so and the car is daily driven.
As of right now, I have a 10AE with a full RB Turbo-back exhaust, 680cc secondaries, dual alt pulley, intake, and emissions removed. Its peaking at about 10.5 lbs of boost and running pretty strong.
In my possession i have a full Greddy 24 row FMIC kit with an HKS SSQ BOV attached, a walbro 255lph fuel pump, NX Ntercooler kit, and a T3/T4 Garret turbo.
As of right now i know i need:
1) Turbo manifold
2) Exhaust-side housing for turbo
3) New DP i think??
4) Method of tuning (about to buy an S-AFCII)
5) Wastegate (external prefferably)
6) Electronic boost controller (i plan on having a low boost setting for normal driving and a hi boost setting for racing)
Ok so here are my questions..
1) Will i be able to achieve those numbers safely on this turbo?
2) Is an S-AFC suffiecient to tune this setup?
3) Will i need a new DP?
4) Recommendations on a manifold
5) " " on a wastegate
6) What is the max boost you would recommend on this setup (I will upgrade injectors if necessary)
So.. i am sorry for the long write-up but i am kind of a newb when it comes to the specifics on turbo builds and tuning... So feel free to ask anything and to call me an idiot if necessary
Thanks
First of all, i do not wan't less than 280 whp from this new setup. I would like to get as much power as i can safely do so and the car is daily driven.
As of right now, I have a 10AE with a full RB Turbo-back exhaust, 680cc secondaries, dual alt pulley, intake, and emissions removed. Its peaking at about 10.5 lbs of boost and running pretty strong.
In my possession i have a full Greddy 24 row FMIC kit with an HKS SSQ BOV attached, a walbro 255lph fuel pump, NX Ntercooler kit, and a T3/T4 Garret turbo.
As of right now i know i need:
1) Turbo manifold
2) Exhaust-side housing for turbo
3) New DP i think??
4) Method of tuning (about to buy an S-AFCII)
5) Wastegate (external prefferably)
6) Electronic boost controller (i plan on having a low boost setting for normal driving and a hi boost setting for racing)
Ok so here are my questions..
1) Will i be able to achieve those numbers safely on this turbo?
2) Is an S-AFC suffiecient to tune this setup?
3) Will i need a new DP?
4) Recommendations on a manifold
5) " " on a wastegate
6) What is the max boost you would recommend on this setup (I will upgrade injectors if necessary)
So.. i am sorry for the long write-up but i am kind of a newb when it comes to the specifics on turbo builds and tuning... So feel free to ask anything and to call me an idiot if necessary
Thanks
03-23-07, 03:15 PM
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Looks like you have eveything you need to make that much power. You need to be more specific on the turbo though, what are the specs? I would reccommend a Power FC or a standalone for ecu/tuning..do it right or dont do it at all. You cant go wrong with a cast HKS manifold and a Greddy wastegate, but thats only if you have a T4 flange to match it up. Youll probably need a custom DP, and I would reccommend at least a 40mm wastegate.
03-23-07, 03:23 PM
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Yeah my bad about the specs on the turbo i don't have it right in front of me but i will them later... The reason i am going with the S-AFC for now is because in about a year from now i plan on garaging the car and starting a 400+whp build that will have the works done to it including a full standalone and many other goodies. So, rather than spending alot now, which would take me longer to save up for and more $$ to install and tune, i wanted to see if the S-AFC would be sufficient for now. I have seen ppl run Rtek and S-AFC together and i can do that if necessary.
03-23-07, 03:24 PM
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BNR Stage 1 says it will hit 300whp easily, I'd go with stage 2 just to confirm that you do hit it and you don't need to fab up a downpipe and wastegate pipe if you go with the bnr. Plus you reuse your coolant/oil feed/drain lines.
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I Thought about the BNR's a while back but i got a deal on the turbo so i am sticking with it unless it gets too complicated.. Oh yeah i forgot about the oil lines and coolant lines i need a recommendation on what kind and where to get them..
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Originally Posted by arghx
SAFC won't do it. You will need Rtek 2.0 minimum to control injectors... 720 secondarys is not enough.
03-23-07, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 1nastyturboII
720cc sec. could do it but why run you injectors at 85% when you can get 1600cc & run them at 60%?
the real question is why not run an injector at 80%? that is the sweet spot.
cost, and if he doesn't go stand alone, the 1600cc is too much to tone out
03-23-07, 03:55 PM
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^^ That was kinda what i was going to say next.. I am really trying to avoid standalone for now its just too much money.. Does anybody like the E-Manage or have experience with it? I Might be able to pick one up for around $300 with everything i need. s it something i can intall myself? Expensive to get done professionally?
03-23-07, 04:08 PM
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i don't know anyone using the greddy, but its ALOT of wires. I would recommend getting the plug and play harness with it! If you get the harness should be easy. you just need the software and some tuning skills tho
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before getting caught up in the stand alone chanting, you should check out the AFC forum and ask them if anyone there has done what you want to do.
otherwise i would recomend getting the Haltech, or Megasquirt if going standalone
if you do piggyback, go Rtek7, not greddy.
otherwise i would recomend getting the Haltech, or Megasquirt if going standalone
if you do piggyback, go Rtek7, not greddy.
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umm...sell the turbo you have...go with a bnr...that will save you from having to buy/make a DP, external WG, and all that other jazz you need for the sytem....then use that extra money to put towards a real standalone....or as someone else said, at a bare minimum, go with something like the rtek 2.0 which will let you do something with your fuel and timing maps, and not just fuel which is all the s-afc will do...also it's plug n' play...send off your stock ecu and when you get it back, plug it in and hook up a pda..software is pretty simple, and good datalogging.