WAYNE88N/A

Who knows, Rat, I've heard of kids 5 years old getting their pilot's license and flying cross-country...

Maybe he raced those cute little peddle cars, or maybe a big wheel

ddub

What the hell is a 10 ft time? You mean 60 ft time? I've never heard of anyone measuring someones 10 ft...

Jager

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This is a pretty silly thread, lets help the person get 200hp instead of arguing about what Iceblue knows or doesn't ;o.

And what is a 10 ft time? I also don't quite follow that.

RotaryEvolution

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^ agrees.

iceblue

Do you want a storyboard of my racing career or look at trophies or something? I mean hell I will mail you a resume or call one of my sponsors or come over and look in my room.

Typo.

Believe what you want. I have done work that proves I can do it. I never stated I knew everything. If I have something I will post it, if it is wrong someone will corrected and that just goes to the knowledge bank of more stuff, for next time around. If I am right then no one says anything. If I think I am right and someone doesn’t think so then we debate it. I don’t see a problem with this. I have stated before my experience education and what I am skilled at and not skilled at. Most things I have a good grasp on and can do allot of work. Some I still need to learn on. I will state now that the factor I feel I do not know anything about or very limited is turbos. I have very little experience on DSM turbo of a friend’s eclipse and what I have learned on here from trial and error. All I have ever asked is if we are debating show sound scientifically proof or dyno proof and explain theory and I will admitingly say I am wrong. But opinions are a dime a dozen.

Sounds more like your being arrogant and speaking from opinion or opinion of a few.

J-Rat

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Nope, I don't care if you invented bottled beer. You keep your trohies in your Room? Still living with Mommy and Daddy are we? That's cute...


Ah, if only that were true.

Lets get one thing straight right here. You pissed with me on another thread, that you probably don't even remember about, and now you have my FULL and UNDIVIDED attention. Until you either stop posting entirely, or start posting things that are true and quit spreading all the bull crap, I am going to be on to you like white on rice.

ddub

Ok ok guys, this really is enough now. Either stop with the pointlessness or this thread will be closed. Please bitch at each other in PM's and let the topic get back on track, thank you.

J-Rat

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Sorry dad...

ddub

LOL

Gotta regulate yo.

revhi

I plan on racing long/short tracks like autoxing, so without NOS you guys are saying intake, exhaust, engine management? what about removing those intake sleeves or the fuel system?

iceblue

Engin managment takes care of the fuel.

ddub

The aux port sleeves/rods/actuators/etc. can be removed for a very minimal increase in top end flow. However low end driveability suffers a tad with a loss of torque. Once again I have done this thanks to my porting style and it doesn't bother me at all in the low end, especially with my aluminum flywheel, but some people differ in opinion.

My suggestions, in this order.
- Weight reduction, as much as you can and feel comfortable doing while keeping the car "streetable" in YOUR mind
- FULL EXHAUST, eliminating emissions if possible
- Custom cold air intake or at least a cold air box
- Suspension! May not make you have more power but it'll help plenty in auto-x
- Some type of fuel controller with wideband and tune for leaner afr's
- Walbro pump and wet nitrous shot (do the pump with nitrous, but with no nitrous it's NOT needed)

Those should get you on the road to some better numbers.

Jager

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If you do Nitrous you may want to check into a Fuel Pressure Regulator. Its more advisable for tuning ;o!

Bukwild

200 rwhp NA 2nd gen is a myth. I have been on this forum for a while and I have yet to see a 200 rwhp dyno sheet without a exotic (bridge/half bridge/pp port. And i always hear that the t2 will be less reliable than the bridge ported NA. Last I knew they were only getting 15k-20k miles before you needed a rebuild. So who is going to dump more money into his setup for 200hp. The NA guy all day long. I am starting to believe this way of thinking will be coming to a end now that the megasquirt ems is out and its in the $200-350 dollar range. This will allow the NA owners to lean out their engine to get a few extra ponies and just bolt on a ebay/ghetto riged turbo setup they can get their hands on. Truth be known I do not believe you can get enuff air through the stock AFM to make 200rwhp and thats the main stopper in it.

RETed

Hmmm...if this is so, then why are we running rubber tires???
If we run "solid" tires, we get more torque!
Doh!

Seriously folks, solid engine mounts just allows the engine to put down the power instantly instead of the rubber / flexible stock engine mounts flexing before allowing the chassis the react.
It is correct to assume the net effect is "0", and there is no torque loss.
You can argue that engine mount flex creates a TINY bit of heat which is technically loss of energy, but we're leave that exercise for the physics nerds.
Basically, the sold engine mounts just allow the engine's power to be put down quicker; it has nothing to do with loss / gain of power / torque.


You still need to learn some more...


-Ted

ddub

JudgeITO did it with his daughters vert and nitrous I believe. Only a streetport too, no bridge or pport.

Jager

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I beleive it was 240HP to be exact ;o!

spot_skater

I think you're right about the AFM being one of the main "stoppers" (can't think of a good word) in achieving 200 rwhp. I think Kahren got something like 187 after going standalone...

bigdv519

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Judge ITO did not do a 200rwhp NA.

ddub

With nitrous he did, I'm pretty sure. It ran 13's too. Unless you're saying that it's not longer NA because of the nitrous, which is understandable, but nitrous is much easier and cheaper than a turbo swap that's for sure.


*EDIT*

Found the threads for you if you still don't believe me.

Here's where he first cracked 200 https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/6-port-streetport-200-3rwhp-174-tq-342406/

And where he got almost 240 https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/239-33-whp-6port-streetport-keeps-getting-stronger-349088/

Again, with nitrous though.

ddub

Oh and also, kahren hit 195rwhp on a streetported motor for a customer with stock ECU and AFC https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/na-6port-streetport-dynoed-195whp-update-418805/

kris1212

sorry guys, but most ppl dont consider a sprayed NA to be an NA

ddub

Hmmm yah I think I addressed that.

The point I made was that nitrous is a LOT cheaper and a LOT easier than doing a full turbo swap, and you don't have to go to the trouble of swapping the engine or other parts. It's a much better option than what everyone on this board says, like "just give up and go turbo"

WAYNE88N/A

For guys like me that drive "normally" 99.9% of the time, want to maintain the fuel economy of the NA, and only find themselves racing someone maybe once a month (I'm gettin old, ya know, lol) nitrous is the ONLY alternative.

Hey- did we turn this into a nitrous thread, Dub?

EL5Letra

if you carb the 6port and turbo it..it can make more than 200hp...well if you got monyt o convert from fuel injecion to carb...my pals T2 made 301 with stock ports...obviously you wil have to upgrade fuel pump get a manifold a carb, msds's uh you get the point.