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Old 02-01-02, 10:57 PM
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(Que?

esta vien yo tengo un TII que le voy a poner el motor del GXL
and I'm going to run even faster with that heavier car

My GXL with the TII motor is Not lighter
it's the same.

The SE where the light models not the GXL's) this is a quote




the body from the gxl is still lighter than the turboII
therefore you have more power because you have the turbo motor in the gxl(lighter body

eso era lo que me referia en otras palabras si tu tubieras las modificasiones que el tiene en el carro tuyo tu le ganarias porque el motor no tiene que hacer tanto esfuelso para mover tu carro

me entiendes????
or maybe im not explaning it right
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2625 lb 88 GXL
cuanto pesa el TII?

no es mucha differencia
que vas a sel impacto en el 1/4 mile.
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I have to agree with Soul Assassin to a point...

The 114mph traps are a bit too hard to believe on a stock turbo.&nbsp You're talking about 300hp to the wheels to attain that kind of traps - it's all physics, so unless your FC weighs about 2200lbs. with you in going down the 1/4-mile, I find the claims pretty fishy.

I've run 13.5 @ 105mph running 14psi of boost on a SMALL compressor upgrade on Nitto drag radials NT-555R 225/50/16.&nbsp That set-up has dyno'd an honest 250hp to the rear wheels.

Running slicks usually lowers 60' times, but it also lowers trap speeds...




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Originally posted by RETed
I have to agree with Soul Assassin to a point...

The 114mph traps are a bit too hard to believe on a stock turbo.&nbsp You're talking about 300hp to the wheels to attain that kind of traps - it's all physics, so unless your FC weighs about 2200lbs. with you in going down the 1/4-mile, I find the claims pretty fishy.

I've run 13.5 @ 105mph running 14psi of boost on a SMALL compressor upgrade on Nitto drag radials NT-555R 225/50/16.&nbsp That set-up has dyno'd an honest 250hp to the rear wheels.

Running slicks usually lowers 60' times, but it also lowers trap speeds...




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thank you! you explained it much better than i could
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Originally posted by RETed
I have to agree with Soul Assassin to a point...

The 114mph traps are a bit too hard to believe on a stock turbo.&nbsp You're talking about 300hp to the wheels to attain that kind of traps - it's all physics, so unless your FC weighs about 2200lbs. with you in going down the 1/4-mile, I find the claims pretty fishy.

I've run 13.5 @ 105mph running 14psi of boost on a SMALL compressor upgrade on Nitto drag radials NT-555R 225/50/16.&nbsp That set-up has dyno'd an honest 250hp to the rear wheels.

Running slicks usually lowers 60' times, but it also lowers trap speeds...




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that know my car.
:TriangleMan
:Little Donny
:Andres

I've run 13.5@104 with 10 PSI with plain street tires, that I bought at a used tire store. with Stock S4 Turbo/non-ported wastegate.

and just to **** you non-belivers
out there
I'm going to make it my Mission to run Mid to Low 12's
with No Weight reduction, running on the stock Turbo

I'm 100% confident Chris can reach 114MPH
I'm running 15in wheels (GXL)
he's running 16's which by it self increases trap speeds
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good luck, but don't see it happening
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ok think it this way Soul
NPR (big version)FMIC
2 720cc's secondarys
2 saab cold start injectors on the IC piping coming into the TB
activated by 2 pressure switches(coming on @ 12PSI
XS 2 stage boost controller 15PSI @ the track
245/16 BF Drag Radials
ACT HD clutch

you bet I will easily hit mid 12's
I'm right now hitting mid 13's with just exhuast
that is the only external MOD I got

When you question Chris's time
you question mine
cause we got similer mods (except for the electronics he got)

Just because you dumped 30K+ to run 11's with drag radials and a clutch less race tranny
and I spent $250 on my exhaust and am running mid 13's with street tires.

doesnt mean you have to envious
My engine builder is clearly better then yours

cause if I was to dump 5k on my car I would run 10's all day long
visit www.japtrix.com for a FC with less then 8k in mods
and is running LOW 10's with stock drivetrain
full street car.




http://members.telocity.com/~brooksw/2ndgen.mov

ask crispeed he knows the car

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Old 02-02-02, 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by kabooski


Just because you dumped 30K+ to run 11's with drag radials and a clutch less race tranny
and I spent $250 on my exhaust and am running mid 13's with street tires.

doesnt mean you have to envious
My engine builder is clearly better then yours

cause if I was to dump 5k on my car I would run 10's all day long
visit www.japtrix.com for a FC with less then 8k in mods
and is running LOW 10's with stock drivetrain
full street car.

Obviously you dont know how big of a gap there is from 13s to 11s. I made it to 11s for a very small amount of money, but doesn't mean that you can do the same.
Some people do their own work, make their own parts, others buy kits, and pay to get their engines built, and so on, the cost difference is insane. But for you to run 10s for 5k? Never gonna happen. Unless you are running a go cart frame.
Same thing about japtrix running 10s for under 8k, you build your own parts, and engine, and do the work yourself, yeah, its a pretty tight one. I know all about going fast for cheap. But then if you decide to build your car with kits, and paying for rebuilt ported engines. We estimated the price of my buddys FD we are building for 550rwhp and 10sec passes to be over 30k if he had someone else do it...
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Originally posted by InitialD FC


Obviously you dont know how big of a gap there is from 13s to 11s. I made it to 11s for a very small amount of money, but doesn't mean that you can do the same.
Some people do their own work, make their own parts, others buy kits, and pay to get their engines built, and so on, the cost difference is insane. But for you to run 10s for 5k? Never gonna happen. Unless you are running a go cart frame.
Same thing about japtrix running 10s for under 8k, you build your own parts, and engine, and do the work yourself, yeah, its a pretty tight one. I know all about going fast for cheap. But then if you decide to build your car with kits, and paying for rebuilt ported engines. We estimated the price of my buddys FD we are building for 550rwhp and 10sec passes to be over 30k if he had someone else do it...
Hey Initial FD, i still need some sort of diagram for that turbo kit you sold me... Maybe a layout of sorts.... or even some pics so we can tell what piping and clamps go where. Anyways, shoot me a email at chrisk@chrisknox.com
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ask crispeed how much he spent on his car
excluding the driveline stuff (which is just to handle the power not make it)

I'll bet you be surprised $ to 1/4 ratio
9.22 1/4
Old 02-02-02, 01:14 PM
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i think its possible

I think its easily possible to his 12.9 on stock turbo.

I plan on hitting it with this.


89 GTX
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already have done
new jspec engine/turbo
super afc
midpipe
intake
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going to get done.

FMIC
Port wastegate
720 cc secondaries
bigger fuel pump
avcr set to 11psi
tuned prof.
short shifter
act clutch
remove air condit/air pump
pulleys
downpipe
catback
ignition
maybe some minor weight reduction i.e spare tire and some other little stuff.
245's toyo proxies on the rear.

I bet I will get damn close to 12.9 with that setup... And just to push it further/ I could get a street port or maybe a little more. That should definetly push the times into the 12's. If I got slicks, I would be easily into the 12's. And if I added a 50 shot of nitrous oxide. I could slam out some pretty kick *** times. And only running 10-11 psi. It would be reliable to. The stock turbo can handle that and I dont need a haltech running 10 psi on the stock turbo... I plan on having my car done by summer, so hopefully I will have some kick *** number to put down.

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goodspeed, that should put you solidly in the 12's with those mods with good driving.

I have a friend with a 10th ann, and all he has is
intake
dp
mp
N1 single
Series 5 turbo
fuel pump rewire
1 add injector

and he ran a 13.19 @ 104. He's a very good driver.

12.9 on a stock turbo is definately possible. Those who dont think so need to look around more, or brush up on their driving skills .

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BTW, Chris,

Ashland is a VERY interesting place My aunt got married there a couple summers ago, I stayed at the windmill inn (edge of town). I counted 18 different Distinct VW buses in one day . Keep in mind this town is only a couple thousand people, if that.

I am interested in your car, ill shoot you some mail when i decide or if I have any questions.

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Originally posted by Supermac
BTW, Chris,

Ashland is a VERY interesting place My aunt got married there a couple summers ago, I stayed at the windmill inn (edge of town). I counted 18 different Distinct VW buses in one day . Keep in mind this town is only a couple thousand people, if that.

I am interested in your car, ill shoot you some mail when i decide or if I have any questions.

Jameson
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Cool man... yes ashland is the hippie capital of the west coast

I love it, everyone is very "laid back"
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Originally posted by kabooski
and just to **** you non-belivers
out there
I'm going to make it my Mission to run Mid to Low 12's
with No Weight reduction, running on the stock Turbo
I didn't say it was impossible.&nbsp In fact, on slicks, the car should be capable of running a 12.7-12.9 @ 110mph; 114mph traps is something I feel next to impossible on the stock turbo.


I'm 100% confident Chris can reach 114MPH
I'm running 15in wheels (GXL)
he's running 16's which by it self increases trap speeds
Uh, this claims confuses me.&nbsp Since when rim size has anything to do with trap speeds???



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eh
it's simple

the bigger the tire/rim the lower the gear
which= higher top speed

like a ten speed bike

3.90 gears would increase your trap speed
while 4.88 gears would lower your trap speed but increase your acceleration.
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How soon do you plan on selling your car. See I can get the oney (or a good portion of it in about two months) I do however not have a license because of thievery I committed but it would be put to good use (avoiding parents) Just letting you know that I'm serious.
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Originally posted by kabooski
ok think it this way Soul
NPR (big version)FMIC
2 720cc's secondarys
2 saab cold start injectors on the IC piping coming into the TB
activated by 2 pressure switches(coming on @ 12PSI
XS 2 stage boost controller 15PSI @ the track
245/16 BF Drag Radials
ACT HD clutch

you bet I will easily hit mid 12's
I'm right now hitting mid 13's with just exhuast
that is the only external MOD I got

When you question Chris's time
you question mine
cause we got similer mods (except for the electronics he got)

Just because you dumped 30K+ to run 11's with drag radials and a clutch less race tranny
and I spent $250 on my exhaust and am running mid 13's with street tires.

doesnt mean you have to envious
My engine builder is clearly better then yours

cause if I was to dump 5k on my car I would run 10's all day long
visit www.japtrix.com for a FC with less then 8k in mods
and is running LOW 10's with stock drivetrain
full street car.




http://members.telocity.com/~brooksw/2ndgen.mov

ask crispeed he knows the car
HA HA you are so full of ****! lets see i will be running 9's this spring and currnetly running mid 10's on street tires and completly streetable, i have maybe 20k in the car so don't talk about something you have no clue about, anytime you want to compare american tuners with japanese you let me know, japanese will win everytime. i know chris knows his hsit but if you think it is that easy to get into the 10's you have a rude awakining coming your way
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I thought something looked wrong with those tires - way too small...

Tire Size Comparison

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference
205/55-16 4.4in 12.4in 24.9in 78.2in 811 0.0%
205/40-17 3.2in 11.7in 23.5in 73.7in 860 -5.7%
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Originally posted by kabooski
eh
it's simple

the bigger the tire/rim the lower the gear
which= higher top speed
Tire diameter, correct - it really has nothing to do with the rim, which is the only thing you mentioned before...



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