Where to buy paint
02-27-13 | 01:46 PM
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From: Brownsburg, Indiana
Where to buy paint
I'm looking to paint the car soon and was wondering where everyone got their paint. I know there is a section but is isn't a very happening section and I plan on ordering in less than a week. My wife wrecked her durango and we got insurance money for it so I am just going to paint the car the same px8 as the Durango. Thanks in advance.
02-27-13 | 05:52 PM
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You'll have to check local, go to any of the manufactures websites and find a retailer You won't really be ordering anything online due to the pita to ship paint.
If you still can't find anything some O'rielys can mix Nason (cheap Dupont brand) paints.
'Top of my head O'rielys Nasons...
496-00 select-clear
483-78/79 (low temp/mid temp) clear activator
nason fullbase
422-23 acrylic primer sealer
483-87 primer activator
have the bastard that mixes it for you make more than you need so you can have extra if you A, mess up
B, change parts later and want the paint to perfectly match
Also ask them to print out there mixing tables and measurments.
If you still can't find anything some O'rielys can mix Nason (cheap Dupont brand) paints.
'Top of my head O'rielys Nasons...
496-00 select-clear
483-78/79 (low temp/mid temp) clear activator
nason fullbase
422-23 acrylic primer sealer
483-87 primer activator
have the bastard that mixes it for you make more than you need so you can have extra if you A, mess up
B, change parts later and want the paint to perfectly match
Also ask them to print out there mixing tables and measurments.
02-27-13 | 08:01 PM
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From: Brownsburg, Indiana
I have to paint match the wife's durango. She was in an accident and messed up her fender. I thought it would be cheaper to get the px8 in abundance than buy two quarts of it and a gallon of cheap paint for the car. Px8 is mopars black however in 2002 the put a shade of blue in it so regular black doesn't match. Plus I figured down the road it would be easy to paint match considering its a stock color.
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02-27-13 | 08:33 PM
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They supplied me with everything I needed to spray my engine bay. Stock Mazda paint code base coat, thinner, clear coat, hardener, mixers and strainers. Service and price was great. Check them out if you have one local. Not the greatest paint, but it has held up great!
They supplied me with everything I needed to spray my engine bay. Stock Mazda paint code base coat, thinner, clear coat, hardener, mixers and strainers. Service and price was great. Check them out if you have one local. Not the greatest paint, but it has held up great!
02-28-13 | 10:11 AM
#9
god no, not another 2+ stage victim!
even the body shop workers are so brainwashed that it is superior, they have a difficult time telling me why.
anyone ever seen a clear coat last 10, 15, 20, 30+ years? i haven't. back the in the 80's and 90's most shops used to stick with the original single stage paint to match what most colors used, these days shops ALL push 2-3 stage paints, the real reason is because they make more money selling the paint and make more money on labor doing the job. even if they forgot those reasons they still will push multi stage paints on everyone who walks through the door because they have done it for so long, it is what they know best.
both of my FCs were repainted on some panels, repainted with single stage over the original paint. this was done some 15+ years ago and i never noticed it until i wetsanded the car to get rid of some oxidization.
i had everyone pushing multi stage paints on me for my RX8 bumper, i was starting to bark at anyone who would even mention it and asked why... people continued to tell me that clear coats are better now than they were before. that is not a good enough answer for me! some claiming dupont has a 5 year warranty. big woop, the job is the biggest pain in the ***, not getting $20 in clear coat refunded.
even the body shop workers are so brainwashed that it is superior, they have a difficult time telling me why.
anyone ever seen a clear coat last 10, 15, 20, 30+ years? i haven't. back the in the 80's and 90's most shops used to stick with the original single stage paint to match what most colors used, these days shops ALL push 2-3 stage paints, the real reason is because they make more money selling the paint and make more money on labor doing the job. even if they forgot those reasons they still will push multi stage paints on everyone who walks through the door because they have done it for so long, it is what they know best.
both of my FCs were repainted on some panels, repainted with single stage over the original paint. this was done some 15+ years ago and i never noticed it until i wetsanded the car to get rid of some oxidization.
i had everyone pushing multi stage paints on me for my RX8 bumper, i was starting to bark at anyone who would even mention it and asked why... people continued to tell me that clear coats are better now than they were before. that is not a good enough answer for me! some claiming dupont has a 5 year warranty. big woop, the job is the biggest pain in the ***, not getting $20 in clear coat refunded.
Last edited by RotaryEvolution; 02-28-13 at 10:23 AM.
03-01-13 | 10:22 PM
#12
god no, not another 2+ stage victim!
even the body shop workers are so brainwashed that it is superior, they have a difficult time telling me why.
anyone ever seen a clear coat last 10, 15, 20, 30+ years? i haven't. back the in the 80's and 90's most shops used to stick with the original single stage paint to match what most colors used, these days shops ALL push 2-3 stage paints, the real reason is because they make more money selling the paint and make more money on labor doing the job. even if they forgot those reasons they still will push multi stage paints on everyone who walks through the door because they have done it for so long, it is what they know best.
both of my FCs were repainted on some panels, repainted with single stage over the original paint. this was done some 15+ years ago and i never noticed it until i wetsanded the car to get rid of some oxidization.
i had everyone pushing multi stage paints on me for my RX8 bumper, i was starting to bark at anyone who would even mention it and asked why... people continued to tell me that clear coats are better now than they were before. that is not a good enough answer for me! some claiming dupont has a 5 year warranty. big woop, the job is the biggest pain in the ***, not getting $20 in clear coat refunded.
even the body shop workers are so brainwashed that it is superior, they have a difficult time telling me why.
anyone ever seen a clear coat last 10, 15, 20, 30+ years? i haven't. back the in the 80's and 90's most shops used to stick with the original single stage paint to match what most colors used, these days shops ALL push 2-3 stage paints, the real reason is because they make more money selling the paint and make more money on labor doing the job. even if they forgot those reasons they still will push multi stage paints on everyone who walks through the door because they have done it for so long, it is what they know best.
both of my FCs were repainted on some panels, repainted with single stage over the original paint. this was done some 15+ years ago and i never noticed it until i wetsanded the car to get rid of some oxidization.
i had everyone pushing multi stage paints on me for my RX8 bumper, i was starting to bark at anyone who would even mention it and asked why... people continued to tell me that clear coats are better now than they were before. that is not a good enough answer for me! some claiming dupont has a 5 year warranty. big woop, the job is the biggest pain in the ***, not getting $20 in clear coat refunded.
I'll play. (Excuse the grammer/runoooonnnnsencancesandspelling and structure I'z drunk and tired
)
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03-01-13 | 10:29 PM
#13
i'm referring to even base color paints, my lightning yellow 8 has nothing special about it, nor the brilliant black. both easy to spray and no need for a clear coat. yet what did they try to sell me and even push me to try and buy? 2 stage.
this was also for a plastic flexible bumper, which already had a craptastic paint job performed on it and i had put many many hours into saving the mazdaspeed bumper on. original paint obviously had no flex agent used, the paint was cracking off at every edge. 2 coats of bulldog, 4:1 paint to catalyst with another 4:1 bulldog flex agent/adhesion promoter mixed in. came out quite nice for a single stage even without any cutting/buffing.
yeah, metallic is a bit of a pain to work with and i do agree that you can't salvage it as easily as basic colors. but i do not agree that it is difficult to spray if you know how to paint. in fact my very first time using a HVLP gun spraying any sort of car body panel was painting an engine bay on an FC with no experience doing it before. i would rate it at a 9/10 job. no runs, no orange peel and no metal flake puddling. maybe i got lucky, or maybe i just followed directions and didn't try to rush the job. actually looked almost identical to the FC bay above once done and dry without the clear.
i also worry about clear yellowing in the engine bay.
this was also for a plastic flexible bumper, which already had a craptastic paint job performed on it and i had put many many hours into saving the mazdaspeed bumper on. original paint obviously had no flex agent used, the paint was cracking off at every edge. 2 coats of bulldog, 4:1 paint to catalyst with another 4:1 bulldog flex agent/adhesion promoter mixed in. came out quite nice for a single stage even without any cutting/buffing.
yeah, metallic is a bit of a pain to work with and i do agree that you can't salvage it as easily as basic colors. but i do not agree that it is difficult to spray if you know how to paint. in fact my very first time using a HVLP gun spraying any sort of car body panel was painting an engine bay on an FC with no experience doing it before. i would rate it at a 9/10 job. no runs, no orange peel and no metal flake puddling. maybe i got lucky, or maybe i just followed directions and didn't try to rush the job. actually looked almost identical to the FC bay above once done and dry without the clear.
i also worry about clear yellowing in the engine bay.
Last edited by RotaryEvolution; 03-01-13 at 10:40 PM.
03-02-13 | 01:59 PM
#14
think Ill have to disagree on this statement:
4. Depth, about the closest you can come to making paint look deep is to mix in intercoat clear (usually 2:1 clear/color) with your last coat which will help quite a bit, it just doesn't comp close to a few nice, thick wet coats of clear.
none of these have any clear, and no photoshop at all. taken with a cheap $100 camera
BUT- like I also agree- with metalics go with a BC/CC system even though I spray "single stage" metallic and clear over it. Its much more durable but harder to spray.
4. Depth, about the closest you can come to making paint look deep is to mix in intercoat clear (usually 2:1 clear/color) with your last coat which will help quite a bit, it just doesn't comp close to a few nice, thick wet coats of clear.
none of these have any clear, and no photoshop at all. taken with a cheap $100 camera
BUT- like I also agree- with metalics go with a BC/CC system even though I spray "single stage" metallic and clear over it. Its much more durable but harder to spray.
03-02-13 | 03:46 PM
#17
think Ill have to disagree on this statement:
4. Depth, about the closest you can come to making paint look deep is to mix in intercoat clear (usually 2:1 clear/color) with your last coat which will help quite a bit, it just doesn't comp close to a few nice, thick wet coats of clear.
none of these have any clear, and no photoshop at all. taken with a cheap $100 camera
4. Depth, about the closest you can come to making paint look deep is to mix in intercoat clear (usually 2:1 clear/color) with your last coat which will help quite a bit, it just doesn't comp close to a few nice, thick wet coats of clear.
none of these have any clear, and no photoshop at all. taken with a cheap $100 camera
When I say depth I'm specifically referring to the recessed look of the paint caused by a translucent layers over the physical surface. Not the shine, nor reflection. It's a pretty loose term because it tends to be thrown around by everyone and their mother.
I think a good example (or extreme black and white one) is silver paint. Mix a bit of it up in your mixing cup and let it dry. Then pour a solid 2 ounces of clearcoat over it and let that fully set up. Flip the cup over and pop out the solid chunk and look through the clear to the silver. The physical depth of the clear can play with the reflection differently due to the thickness of the clear and physical thickness distorting what we see.
I guess similar to paperweights where you have a design on the bottom and clear resin poured over it in a dome/ half-sphere shape. Solid colors might not be the best example.
Nice paint work by the way.
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