Stupid/Funny/Random things said about the FC
09-01-11, 03:31 PM
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09-02-11, 09:57 AM
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Not to start a shitstorm or anything, but there's definitely some near-Luddite sentiment here. I guess this is a car forum for a 20 year old car so I should expect that. Yet I'm sure SA/FB owners said stuff like this back in 1986 when the FC came out with adjustable suspension, sequential fuel injection and variable ratio rack-and-pinion power steering.
ABS of course is great for normal drivers, because their default response for any situation is to mash the brake to the floor.
It's all about flexibility. The throttle response can be tuned for emissions and fuel economy or it can tuned for sporty response. The engineers tune the frumpy sedans for the former, and the sportier cars could be tuned for the latter depending on the requirements. There are a bunch of tables setting up the relationship between accelerator pedal position and throttle valve position at different rpm. Try driving a car with different throttle response modes. The same type of thing can be done for the traction control tuning. GM was an early adopter of ABS and later on electronic throttles.
09-02-11, 10:36 AM
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I HATE ABS. I was driving my grandmas 09 hyundai elantra after bringing my girlfriend home, and I came off the parkway onto the man road. There was some ice near the stop sign, and when I hit the brakes to slow down like a normal human being the ******* ABS kicked in and I slid through the stop sign. Luckily no cars were coming, but a quarter of a mile down the road I got ******* pulled over and got a ticket for going through a stop sign. Don't even know where the cop came from either. The ABS in that car is retarded sensitive.
I go fight it in court, the cop explained his side of the story and I explain that the ABS kicked in for no reason when I barely braked so I slid through it. The judge asked the cop if that was true and he says "well I didn't see that, its possible" SO HOW THE **** CAN YOU GIVE A TICKET FOR SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T SEE. Nonetheless, I had to pay a $130 ticket cause the judge was a snivelling little nerd, looked & sounded exactly like Milton Adams from Office Space. Douchebag, ABS cost me $130 >
I go fight it in court, the cop explained his side of the story and I explain that the ABS kicked in for no reason when I barely braked so I slid through it. The judge asked the cop if that was true and he says "well I didn't see that, its possible" SO HOW THE **** CAN YOU GIVE A TICKET FOR SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T SEE. Nonetheless, I had to pay a $130 ticket cause the judge was a snivelling little nerd, looked & sounded exactly like Milton Adams from Office Space. Douchebag, ABS cost me $130 >
09-02-11, 10:51 AM
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next time just force the pedal to the floor anyway. i had a lexus LS400 that had abs like that. abs off and stop in 10', abs on and stop in 100'. super retard..
i guess ill tell a funny fc story now.
a few friends and i decided to go for a drive. consisted of going up a canyon and down another.
anyway. we all meet up and it is me turbo fc stock 13b stock boost, couple sr s13s and a somewhat special fellow with a na gxl.
we start the 7+% grade up the canyon and the sr guys take off so i decided to follow and catch them. we got to our exit and took it, stopped under the bridge for the gxl guy. he finally got next to us and asked if my car was turbo. i lied, said no just an na gxl like yours. he said yeah i thought that nas were supposed to be faster than this one is.
kind of funny but then.
a suspicious white crown vic shows up and parks about 20 yards down the road from us so we decide to move on. gxl guy decides this was the great opportunity to start busting out m4d driving skillz and randomly starts doing doughnuts
of course cop was not amused.. good times
i guess ill tell a funny fc story now.
a few friends and i decided to go for a drive. consisted of going up a canyon and down another.
anyway. we all meet up and it is me turbo fc stock 13b stock boost, couple sr s13s and a somewhat special fellow with a na gxl.
we start the 7+% grade up the canyon and the sr guys take off so i decided to follow and catch them. we got to our exit and took it, stopped under the bridge for the gxl guy. he finally got next to us and asked if my car was turbo. i lied, said no just an na gxl like yours. he said yeah i thought that nas were supposed to be faster than this one is.
kind of funny but then.
a suspicious white crown vic shows up and parks about 20 yards down the road from us so we decide to move on. gxl guy decides this was the great opportunity to start busting out m4d driving skillz and randomly starts doing doughnuts
of course cop was not amused.. good times
09-02-11, 03:10 PM
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ABS of course is great for normal drivers, because their default response for any situation is to mash the brake to the floor.
But, here's the thing: Why would I want my throttle tuned for fuel economy or performance? Isn't that the job of my, well, right foot?
But you may not be realizing some of the other reasons why they have to have drive-by-wire. Newer engines are moving towards de-throttled operation. Nissan, BMW, and Fiat have engines that alter valve lift to control engine output and keep the throttle blade at WOT almost all the time. Stratified charge direct injected engines (not really available in North America yet) can regulate engine output under low loads by changing the fuel flow, just like a diesel.
On regular electronic throttle engines the system is used to automatically set throttle valve position during warmup, deceleration, idle, etc in order to have a stable idle as well as good emissions and fuel economy. They can also be used for OEM anti-lag systems (BMW) and as replacement for fuel cutoff systems (GM). I've got a paper on this if anyone is interested.
09-02-11, 05:20 PM
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I know the 1st gens aren't as heavy I've owned an 81 & 83 but I have a 88 gxl and just got it's only 2540 w/o me 2680 w/ me and I can still take some out so they are heavier but not by a whole lot and that can be fixed + it's not too hard to make them move with some power...
09-02-11, 09:23 PM
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But you may not be realizing some of the other reasons why they have to have drive-by-wire. Newer engines are moving towards de-throttled operation. Nissan, BMW, and Fiat have engines that alter valve lift to control engine output and keep the throttle blade at WOT almost all the time. Stratified charge direct injected engines (not really available in North America yet) can regulate engine output under low loads by changing the fuel flow, just like a diesel.
IMO it would be a cool thing to drive and work on, but not own. More stuff to break, malfunction, go wrong. I'm all for super complicated stuff like elaborate gps/interior/traction control/parking assist, but when that stuff fails, you can keep on driving.
I do not like over complicating the things that are needed to make the car move. Engine/trans/air suspension/etc. And with all the over complication, comes more things to go wrong, and there we have BMW, Merc, Audi, etc...
09-03-11, 10:14 AM
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Yes, it is. And it's not like putting the fun pedal down doesn't still make the car faster. It's just the relationship between the pedal position and engine output that can change based on how the engine has been calibrated.
But you may not be realizing some of the other reasons why they have to have drive-by-wire. Newer engines are moving towards de-throttled operation. Nissan, BMW, and Fiat have engines that alter valve lift to control engine output and keep the throttle blade at WOT almost all the time. Stratified charge direct injected engines (not really available in North America yet) can regulate engine output under low loads by changing the fuel flow, just like a diesel.
On regular electronic throttle engines the system is used to automatically set throttle valve position during warmup, deceleration, idle, etc in order to have a stable idle as well as good emissions and fuel economy. They can also be used for OEM anti-lag systems (BMW) and as replacement for fuel cutoff systems (GM). I've got a paper on this if anyone is interested.
On regular electronic throttle engines the system is used to automatically set throttle valve position during warmup, deceleration, idle, etc in order to have a stable idle as well as good emissions and fuel economy. They can also be used for OEM anti-lag systems (BMW) and as replacement for fuel cutoff systems (GM). I've got a paper on this if anyone is interested.
Drive by wire isn't what bothers me. I don't care that my fun pedal is a pot and the throttle plate is on a servo. As long as it is a direct linear relationship between how far I push down the pedal and how far the throttle opens (save for things like idle control).
09-05-11, 09:02 PM
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