I understand your point, I really do...But he's short on cash right now. If he honestly wanted a quick, cheap fix that will look good until he can actually afford a professional job costing upwards of $2,000 he can do one of the two things I've suggested for him. Restoring the paint on there is obviously the best choice. I've said that already. However, if he wanted a different color, spray painting the car in the proper manner would be his best bet. You can sand a well done spray can job down without a problem. But the same is NOT true for the rustoleum roll on crap. It'll just gum up.

The whole point is to give him his options. Restore, cheap re-spray, or professional work. All that's really left is for him to decide what he wants to do. If you ask me, I'd say we've done our job of providing him with the information he asked for.

The majority of people who rattle can a car don't do it the right way. The result is that it doesn't last and it looks like crap. This is why there is such a misunderstanding about spray painting cars. Do it wrong and you'll regret it. Do it right and you can end up with something that will make you happy.

I'm not getting defensive, I'm just laying it out.

 

but he can pay a detail shop less then $125 to detail the outside of the car and it will come out great, he can ask them to do a test panel so he can see for himself.

That is if he has no friends who can help him out, I know when I was just starting out driving I polished cars for extra money, then opened a detail shop for a few years, now I refinish and repair boats.


edit- by the way if one was to have thier mind set on roll and tipping paint please use a 2 part catalyzed paint, not air dry enamel. You can use very good paint with brushing converters. Then later on should you wish to get it done professionally at least they can sand what you have and use it as a base instead of having to sand it all off.

 

I just went over this... We've already agreed that restoring the paint currently on the car would be the best option! Again, alternatives are available and I've laid them out.

 

I get confused at the conversations, too many things going on around me right now!

 

That's alright, it happens.

 

http://duplicolor.com/products/paintshop.html

 

I haven't tried that stuff yet. I may, since the finish on my 87.5 is ruined and I no longer care because I've got my dream FC awaiting a transmission. It looks kind of alright but since their how-to videos don't include showing how the car looks after it's buffed out...I'm not yet convinced. It just looks TOO dull.

It's a good suggestion, nevertheless.

 

I agree with getting the car detailed before abandoning hope!

There's a local here that does amazing detail work for around $200, I'm sure you can find one in your area as well!

 

thats a laquer system, there is a reason they used to put 15 coats of laquer on- thats because you have to sand half of them off to get it smooth, then you had better keep the car out of the sun.

 

That Duplicolour stuff is lacquer. It'll fade out and *NEED* to be buffed to hold much shine even just after spraying. Almost all paint manufacturers still offer lacquer finishes, however OEM's stopped using them on vehicles in the 70's because of the success of acrylic's and later, urethanes.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone. Its called dose of reality. You can talk to anyone you like about spray balming, rolling, brushing whatever......you'll hear the people who've done it and had as much success as you can get with it(as in, Look at my car, its painted so therefore it works) and then you'll hear from the people who've used high quality material and see where the spray balm is limited.

The bottom line is use whatever you like. You can use a white out pen and its not going to break my heart or probably anyone else's for that matter. I am just here as a reminder that the products you use on the job (as well as the work you put into it) will determine how it stands up.

And yes, an enamel spray balm will chip easier then real (urethane) paint, regardless of how well its prepped. If you do a score test (an OEM scratch test where 8 grooves are put into the paint 1/2" apart, then crossed back over perpendicular to make a # pattern. Then masking tape is applied and ripped off) You'll find that 90-100% of the enamel, or lacquer material has been removed while only 10 to 20% of the urethane has been. The reason for inquring minds is chemical adhesion, of which 1K (one part) products are virtually void of.

Thats all the input I've got for this thread

 

my spray paint job lol, better than stock trust me, krylon flat black, poor quality pic on the rain lol.

 

a cheap air compressor and a cheap gun will give you a cheap paint job that looks similar (but thicker) then a spray paint job. and you'll spend alot more money. but still have to sand just as much because of the orange peal you get with the cheap gun. also a cheep air compressor will either over heat from always refilling. or just leave you with little air pressure and you have to wait for it to return. depending on what size you get and if you attach a seporate tank to hold more air. but thats still more money.

spray painting with the proper prep and care, sanding and buffing. will look just as good as a single stage paint job.
unfortunatly i didnt use enough paint, when i sanded it a year later, i burned threw a lil bit.
but the paint stands up to eliments and heat and direct texas sunlight perfectly fine if you dont use their clear coat.




this next fc is a copy of mine. he also used duplicolor spray paint
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on this next one i didnt sand and buff the door yet.. but heres the vert i usto own




if this thread is going to turn out anything like my thread about how i painted all my rx7s with spray paint... then this is going to be a shitty trash talking thread. just because some of you are SO close minded and have NEVER tried this before, or didnt do a good enough job, and recomend an even shittier way of doing a cheap paint job.

i've been doing this for about 3 years now. not to long. but long enough to know it works with the proper care and work.

 

What is the obsession with flat black spray painted cars these days? This is entirely the reason why spray paint has such a bad reputation.

Grainy camera, but this is spray paint on a tail light that I did! Geez, most of you must not know what you're doing if you can't make it look this good...

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It is totally smooth, feels like glass, looks like a black mirror and I haven't had a single problem with them.

 

chick - even in those pictures none of your panels match each other

 

well me and a freind are taking the plung with the duplicolor system. i've seen several several guys at the local saturday car meet who used this and it turnewd out good for them so here's to hoping.

 

cool post up a thread when you do =p

 

Damn, you beat me to it!

 

Uh the shops here are run by ghetto gangmember mexicans (farmer town).

I bought a pair of tires at a decent looking shop, bunch of **** happened and they ended up torqing my lug nuts WAY too high.

I asked some guys I knew how much they'd hook upa paint job for, I told them I wanted just a red or blackish, they said thats so easy that they wouldn't waste their time to do it

I'm going to go with what Acesanugal suggested first, gonna start tmrw.

 

Out of curiosity, which option are you going with?

 

Oh whoops.

restoring the old paint

 

The blue on your car came out awesome with darker suroundings!

 

dont know if you say my project panda thread but alot of that work was done by me for 150$ total in paint and prep costs...

its called using plastic sheets and building a booth in your garage and then getting a decent paint gun...

paint cost me only 100$ at NAPA auto including enough for 3 coats of clear coat.
it just takes patience with he prep work but when its all said and done it looks decent.