jerd_hambone

It doesn't mean a thing to buy a low mile FC. There have been people that have bought higher mileage FC's on here and had them last a long time.

Me personally, I've bought an FC with 55k on the clock and had the engine pop 3 days later. I've actually had 2 with less thank 60k and a blown engine.

This car is overpriced.

j9fd3s

iTrader: (3)

the FC is pretty neat, but its stuck between the SA/FB which was like a jolt of lightning in a really boring period for cars and the FD which except for maybe the NSX* the top of the heap of the 90's japanese supercar heap, and i do mean heap none of those things aged well...

*NSX is either great or a total failure. stock to stock in a straight line the FD will just waste the NSX.

RXSpeed16

iTrader: (41)

Engine longevity is always an issue, but you're going to test them the same way you would when buying a migher mileage used car. There is something to be said for a low mileage, well cared for chassis. Every time you've thought, "What was that sound? Where is that piece? Where does this poorly wired switch go to? Why doesn't this part quite fit?." That's the difference between a low mileage and high mileage car. The body panels fit much better, it isn't missing interior pieces from poor stereo installations, no caked layers of crud in the body cavities from that time the drain hose came off, 1/2" of dried oil caked over the OMP, etc. They're a lot of the same qualities you're looking for when buying a new vehicle, but manufacturing processes (yes, even hyundai's) are obviously much better now. Is it worth a 10k premium over your average fc? Not to 99.9% of the population. Just depends what the buyer is looking for.

RotaryEvolution

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the same can be said for a well restored FC, but what makes this one really that much more valuable? i'd be less hesitant to cringe when driving a car with a newly rebuilt engine than one that has had likely 10 years between cooling system services on at least one occasion unless he has records.

Rob XX 7

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lol, you people are so full of ****.
if the engine was rebuilt you wouldnt trust it anyhow, you would talk **** about it.

I would rather buy a super mint original clean car and have the engine need a rebuild for some reason then buy a **** car that some punk kid has already ruined with a "fresh" rebuild

engines are cheap compared to body and interior and rust repair. Carpets are expensive, seats are expensive, paint and body work are expensive.

you cant bring these cars up on this board because its like selling ice to eskimoes you guys dont want to pay for **** but guess what there is a whole other world out there besides the few clowns that post on these boards who WOULD pay a few bucks more for a nice car.

If anything you guys should be happy there are some original low miles cars out there that can still be had. meanwhile keep removing your AC, PS, emissions, remove your carpet and sound deading and drift yourself into a the sunset

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

sounds like a plan..

i trust my 210k mile TII more than i would trust to drive that thing 1-2k miles back home.

but what the hell do i know.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

and if one of your customers said he was buying a 210k mile TII you would tell him to expect a rebuild so who you kidding man, lol

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

i never said it was the original engine.

my whole point throughout has been the engine, being original, having 25 years of use on the rubber seals, driven or not do not last indefinitely.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

ill take a re-seal ( if it even needs it ) over paint, body, and interior work, ANY-DAY

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

think a sub 30k mile car doesn't need those as well? less likely but i have also seen plenty of garage kept, unmolested, original paint cars with decent unbroken/unstained interiors as well with over 100k miles.

in my years i have seen plenty of cars that looked like pure trash after 30k miles. pictures and ads can hide many things until you go look at it in person.

for the 100% stock argument that people also make. almost all mods can be reversed. my car can go back to 100% stock if and when i decide to.

for the sake of broken plastics i already have plans of making vents with aluminum blades.

tell ya what, just sell everything you own and go buy it so we can stop arguing about how great of a deal it is or isn't.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

Now we are trying to say the car may not have original miles, it might be a beat up 19k mile car, lol- really with these rebuttals?

I dont need that car, have zero use for it, but for someone who wants a nice original car it IS a good deal to them.

time will show the low mileage quality cars will be the only ones worth anything at all, the rest will be worthless and in the junkyard.

RXSpeed16

iTrader: (41)

Since we can't all go and inspect this car before weighing in, we have to take the seller's words that
"the car is in perfect condition" within reason. He's not going to tear apart the engine to inspect the wall thickness around the coolant seals. So the discussion is a hypothetical, perfect 30k mile car.

I totally agree that there are some awesome, unrestored cars with over 100k, but I'd guess that's under 10% of the FC's still on the road. How many of those cars would be ready to go another 100k without needing paint, transmission, differential, wheel bearings, rust repair, etc. Things you would do to the car if you're planning to keep it for a long time.
Like I said before, the buyer won't be from this forum. He won't have time to scour the for sale section for nice used parts. He won't know how to set a TPS or where to hook up the spark plug wires. He'll just want something fresh that he can get in and drive.

I'm not trying to convince anybody to buy this car. I'm arguing the argument that low mileage is not worth anything. Somebody that holds on to a car that long and uses it that little is going to take care of it. i.e. The owner didn't fill it up with dirty diapers and leave it the last 20 years.

jerd_hambone

A clean car is a clean car. But being a fully original car, which I'd bet a younger person has owned that car and it's been driven hard at least once, does NOT make a car worth $10k over MINT book price. Sorry, but it doesn't. It doesn't matter if it's low-mileage or not.

I bought an 89 GTU for $400 bucks. $1500 for a rebuild and $400 for paint, painted by me, the car had 55k miles, clean inside and out. Selling the car would have been breaking even. It's unreasonable to price the car THAT high.

RotaryEvolution

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some people have this dream that a mint 7 will show up at Barrett Jackson and the crowd will go silent and a lone stranger walk up with an opening offer of $100,000.

sorry, these cars have issues and bad history. in short, enthusiast cars and ALL require work.

i have this reality that i will have to yank my motor and reinstall all the original equipment to get around the $4k bluebook value and keep or sell off the other several thousand worth of parts, as selling it whole with modifications is like giving them away.

i also don't have any adverse dreams that the value is going to skyrocket someday for these imaginary people looking to buy an immaculate example and are willing to pay top dollar like they just won the lottery and have had this dream of buying a $15k original mazda RX7.

**** that, i'd go buy a bugatti or R8, no matter how much i like these cars.

and i'm not saying that because i stare at several everyday. i say that because i had the dream of owning a 7, i knew it would be a chore of a car and has been with years of work and development to make it reliable again. i say that because i'm 37 and have higher standards now versus owning a project or paying top dollar for a prime example.

maybe 20 years from now people will consider them something of a classic to restore, as i look towards 60's and early 70's cars. unfortunately where do you think you will get gasoline from then?

Adonis Blue

iTrader: (1)

$6000.00 tops is all I would pay for a car that old in "that" condition period.

I see ads all the time of people stating how "rare" these cars are and that "you will never find a cleaner one than this" with prices on them of 10k plus and more often than not several years pass and the car gets listed again by the same owner for marginal less..

As Karack points out it is an enthusiast car through and though, They are NOT rare nor collectible and certainly not worth double digit figures in any condition!

But that's just my 2 cents

rx7_FREAKKK

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what a joke. 12k for that? yea right. its not even a 10th AE. get a turbo 2 with no engine for 600 and spend 2k or 3 on inside and out you would be better off. then ya know what ya have

Rob XX 7

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I never said they would be at berrett jackson, matter of fact if you look in the 3rd gen section they discuss how the value will go up and up and I say no way it will, these cars will fade away appealing to a very very small group of people who will put up with them

these topics always bring up the people who bought their cars for $5 and "know what they got", some get it some dont.
I restore and repair boats, people buy boats to restore and buy **** pails and they are worse off then spending a little more money and buying a nicer boat even though we were going to restore it- but like I said you either get it or you dont. You either appreciate a low miles original car for what it is or you think your rebuilt with parts from 5 other cars is better.

jerd_hambone

No, you are the one who isn't getting it. We aren't saying that a rebuilt car is worth more. We are saying that pricing a car for well over mint book value, just because it has low miles, is bullshit.

I'm sure everyone here appreciates a clean, low mileage car. We don't appreciate a clean, low mileage car being priced at near BRAND ******* NEW prices. It's outrageous.

Rob XX 7

iTrader: (8)

brand new to the cheapest hyundai, lol

just dont buy the car! im sure whoever buys the car and im certain the guy selling it could give 2 ***** what any of us have to say.


I dont know why I have wasted so much time with this, all you need to do is check out the "post pics of your 3rd gen" thread from time to time and compare it to the 2nd gen section and you can get a really good idea of the difference in the quality of the cars and their owners

JerryLH3

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By the time my restoration is complete, I could make a good argument that I have the cleanest mostly stock RX-7 that is closest to showroom condition. I feel that it certainly would be worth more than the average RX-7, but probably not worth $12000. That car is probably worth more than average, too, but probably not $12000 either.

And whoever ends up buying that car would just laugh at our conversation here. The buyer of that car is going to be someone who just wants a clean low mileage RX-7, and that person will appreciate it for what it's worth.

j9fd3s

iTrader: (3)

exxon made the most money in the history of making money last year, gasoline is not going anywhere.

sticker on an 87 T2 was like $25k, and that's in 1987 money! adjusted for the monopoly money inflation we have now that's like $47k!

so its nowhere even close to brand near new pricing.

i know of several S5 t2's that changed hands for 10k or more back when these cars were hot. if you actually do have a mint S5 t2 they should still bring good money

jerd_hambone

Eh, 20+ years of depreciation, a bad reputation, and a niche market make that car not worth $12k, like JerryLH3 said, it's going to go to someone who just wants a low mile FC.

Most people will see that car, then google "RX7" see an FD, price an FD at just a few thousand more, and pass on it.

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

i'd rather see him post it here for sale at that price and watch it mothball with bumps of "clean car bro" comments pile up but no real hits, just to prove my point.

i've seen plenty of very clean low mile FCs sit and rot for a year in the for sale section. eventually i assume they gave up or took half their original asking price just to sell it.

j9fd3s

iTrader: (3)

this forum is the wrong place to sell anything!

jar2

Sounds like the seller has a lot of general information and doesn't really know much about the car. $12500? Yea good luck trying to get that much for an FD much less an FC lols