I have been noticing more and more of these swapped cars turning up everywhere. A swapped car is an NA FC or any other lesser model just putting in a TII motor and run around calling them selfs a turbo II or for some reason think more highly of their car for doing the swap. I guess its this whole "built not bought" mentality, guess what you did have to buy your speed in the purchase of the 4port motor, so your whole slogan is officially bull ****. Now it is much more respectable when people actually swap over everything from the TII to keep their car from further falling apart from the power gains.

Now I dont fault the owners for wanting more power from their cars, trust me I know this dilemma all to well but do it right. Dont just throw a jdm motor in your car and ghetto rig the thing to just barely run with all sorts of body panels removed and bring the prestige of our chassis down with you. Now I didnt post this to hear a bunch of BS reasons from NA owners defending their projects I want to hear input from other TII owners on the subject.

 

i have a tII as well i and believe the same concept you speak of applies to everything you do.

of your going to spend time doing something do it right... now there are some cases i will cut corners but not when it will jeapordize the integrity of the car.

i am swapping the motor in my subaru but the driveline and the power plant i am doing is being done right. new gaskets timing belts etc. new clutch etc etc. whenever you do a motor swap you need to do it right. not just on the RX7.

 

I have a fully swapped vert, I dont fault those who did not do a full swap, but maybe they did not have the funds to complete it yet? Once they break something im sure they will swap it.

There are alot of guys who have been running NA drivetrains behind thier turbo motors without problems.

BTW- I have a 89 TII with a V8 swap- im sure that one pisses you off too, lol

 

I have owned everything from a pristine T2, a swapped car, and a 6 port turbo monstrosity..

I would have never called the two swapped cars a "t2".. But non the less the cars are a lot of fun in any form.. My very was running a 6 port turbo setup, using stock rear and tranny, the t2 (jspec swapped car) had the N/A rear with a modified Driveshaft and T2 tranny.. My t2 was all stock and by far the most reliable of the 3 of the boosted cars..

On top of that I owned a 6 port N/A that was ported out to a 4 port (with manifolds to match) and I ended up slapping a s5 turbo on that... It was a dog without the turbo on takeoff but it had 13,000rpm bearings in it and 3mm Fd seals...

Either way, I try not to worry myself with what other people do to thier cars, I mean I have sold a few cars only to find out they ended up with a V8 swap or velour interior.. I am coming around on the V8 swaps though (see digisolo's car)

I do think a LOT of FC's turn out looking like crap, because they are cheap, and parts are plentiful.

 

I have a 88 SE with a swapped TII motor. I've never called a t2 and if anyone asks I let them now it was at one time n/a. Currently running n/a drivetrain and I don't have any problems. I found a great deal on a streetported TII motor with low miles and picked it up. While I was piecing together the rest of the full TII swap my n/a motor went (160k miles on her). So I was forced to swap in my TII motor.

Since then I have been dailying my car and have pieced together the clutch, flywheel, starter, TII trans, n/a lsd, and mazdatrix TII to n/a driveshaft. All of which will go in the car once it's warm enough for me to work on it.

Sorry if that pisses you off but not everyone can afford or find a TII right away. I bough my FC before I knew anything about them, in hindsight I would have liked to start off with a complete TII. But I have changed so much with my n/a it has really been a learning experience with a lot of sentimental value attached.

So sure it sucks when people cut corners and swap motors shitty and then run around with a stock TII motor and think that their car is the **** due to the new-found power. But that is just how it is, people learn eventually that you have to do stuff right the first time. Sometimes it just comes about the hard way.

 

VERY...

there is an R in RX-7 for a reason!

 

I swapped everything on my GXL over from a S5 TII donor right down to the dash and wiring harnesses. I don't usually refer to it as a TII but I will say its turbo if people ask. Its not pretty; its a race car. Sorry if that doesn't meet your standards. My NA quit and the donor practically fell into my lap. Engine was rebuilt by me with used housings and irons.

 

I have an S4 vert, I have been wanting to swap a TII or any other boosted rotary I can get my hands on. But the very first thing I did to it was swap the trans driveline to TII. (The N/A driveline didn't hold up very well with me. Blown tranny and snapped driveshaft on the stock N/A. I figured the stuff was just getting to old to handle the abuse though. Had 190k on it)

I see no problem with people who choose not to do a "proper" swap according to you, but they do it to save money or think that the car will handle with out swapping the other things.
I still prefer to swap the approporiate parts that would handle the power/abuse the motor/driver put out...

 

Swapped cars dont **** me off.

I used to get pissed when i'd see ls(x) swapped fd's and fc's though. Then i'd see the cars go out and lay rubber.

 

bottom line is, it's their car, not yours. Let people do what they will with their own cars. I understand being upset when someone tries to sell a NA swap as a T2... that is fraud.

Some day, probably in Japan, your pristine unmolested 10th Aniv will sell for 65k. Until then, just sit their and polish your wheels.

 

I knew this thread was going to go to crap real quick. Like I have stated before I dont want to hear the reasons as to why people on here have swapped cars, I dont really care. I want to hear the opinions of ACTUAL TII owners on the subject.

 

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I am not going to get people with NAs to stop ,thats not the point I'm trying to make. I just want to stop seeing soo many ****-box FC's that are falling apart from their own power and owners lack of funds/mechanical knowledge/taste etc...
I have a 91 S5 TII champ, not an 10th Anniversary.

 

I get pissed off on how some people do shitty work on these swaps. I was going to buy a civic a few weeks ago with a swapped b series motor in it. My god was it sloppy, kid did not have everything plugged in,wires hanging down from everywhere. I ended up not buying the car. I think if your going to do a swap take the time and do it right. I pretty **** about stuff like that.

 

Are Turbo 7s in japan still called TIIs? If not my jdm conversion isn't considered a TII conversion.

 

thanks for taking the subject do light hearted.

The point is, people who buy a 1500 NA are cheap and young. They are x-honda owners and are going to do a bunch of hack jobs to try to make power. I'd like to stop seeing so many hacked FC too, but it ain't gonna happen.

I do the best I can with my car and let everyone else do what they want with theirs. When people see your car; a well maintained car, they won't even know what it is. They will think it's some exotic Porsche or something. Take the compliments and wait for all the rust buckets to fall apart. It only makes your car worth more.

PS: I've owned 3 ACTUAL T2s and one vert (not swapped)

 

I bought my '87 SE with phone dials for 750 dollars when I was 30, and broke.

It kicked off my Rotary obsession and now, almost ten years and 3 FCs later, I have a 300+ WHP FD that I pour pretty much all my money into. I'm not young, I've never owned a Honda, and I bought that 1st RX-7 because I like the way they handle curves. Period.

I've never swapped motors in any of my cars, but I have nothing against 450lbs of Smog friendly torque, and if someone offered to trade my REW-powered FD for one with an LS7, I wouldn't hesitate.

 

I bought my pos FC for $1000 because I'm cheap and young (17, 16 when I bought it) But I've never owned a Honda and I'm not trying to make power with it (It's a stock n/a, come on ) and I hate drifting. I bought it so I could learn as much as I can about FCs so when I have the money to step up to an FC in better shape, I'll know what I'm doing and won't break anything.

 

Good for you. * both of you

The OP is complaining about hack jobs. My post is an attempt at sarcastic (but not too far from reality), stereotypical, humor.
Are there people out there doing a good job with their swaps? Sure. They are few and far between.

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You guys are good examples of a rotary enthusiast and I don't mean to take that away from you. When it comes to cheap power, honda owners are the best example I can think of. Ya'll are not trying to turn your $800 FCs into 400HP race cars...

 

dumbest thread ever.
Mines a 91 coupe with a swap. full interior, a/c and powersteering intact, brand name aftermarket goodies.
Building a car should be done with a passion, not with a "i want it now the cheapest way possible"

Im more upset with people putting sportmax/rotas on their car and bragging about them, or the people on this forum that typically think "jdm dont know what they are doing".

 

Any hack job pisses me off... especially when the assclown that did it thinks he knows what the **** he is doing. If you cannot make it look like OEM quality or better I say why bother?

Do it right.

Do it once.

 

I kind of agree, I mean, what's wrong with a car with a well-done swap? I think it's great. But, also think of all the poorly done swaps, with wires hanging around everywhere that barely run. And we can't forget about all the S4s with S5 motors bolted in with the owners standing there saying "uhhh... why can't I plug anything in?"

 

I just love them 7's, and I hope my post didn't come across as too defensive.

 

not at all

 

i know what you mean..
hack jobs are **** poor. I see it alot with some of the 240sx.. people too lazy to hook up the heater so they block it off, or too lazy to swap the powersteering over so they take it out, same for a/c and wiring job.

I did a SR swap in my old 240sx, i took my time to piece together parts, new motor mounts, shielded my wiring where it needed to be corrected, loom wrapped etc, sourced out the correct radiator etc.

You can enjoy the car more when its correctly done. But theres also a ton of crappy NAs out there, no a/c or p/s, **** poor elec fan setups, cheapo ebay intake.

I would say TII hood and S5 tails on a S4 is just poser but theres alot of guys who do it. It wont bother me, and i would just keep it to myself. No point in posting it man, FC community is already pretty small we gotta learn not to offend each other and stick thru it, promote our cars.

 

i had a TII that had an accident.

Bought a shell that was once a 87 n/a completely stripped.

Swapped over 98% of the TII into the shell other 2% of the TII i threw in the garbage.

Is it still a TII? id think so. Mainly because i have to look at the TII sections of the FSM to do any work. Never at the non-turbo models.

Do swapped cars **** me off? well swapping my car pissed me off. But in reality i could care less about people mix matching parts from other cars.