GT1-20b

Good eve. guys.
Just got back from Seven Stock X
Glad to see all the interest & exchange of ideas !
We'll be up & runing again w/ everything this week.

A bit tired, but hey ......

Got all clutch info + pricing for GB. coming.

GT1-20b

RX-Heven

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Any news on the home front?

RX-Heven

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Cash in hand...just need someone to give it to.

gracer7-rx7

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I hope they wait a bit longer as I'm not ready for this expense yet

GT1-20b

Hello all,
Been away for nearly a month.
Race season is winding down, so back to buss. and projects.

Last items left to cover: CLUTCH OPTIONS, & PRICING.

As to CLUTCH options :

Any one looking at either full Carbon/ Carbon, or
any 5.5" or 7.25" inch Race Clutch in Sintered Iron or Cerametalic lining,
can purchase the following Flywheels from Mazda Speed Motorsports:
P/n : 0000-02-9207. Aluminum Full Race flywheel for 5.5" inch multy disc Clutch.
P/n : 0000-02-9204. Aluminum Race/Sport flywheel for 7.25" inch multy disc Clutch.

These Flywheels will accept any: Tilton, Ace, or Quarter Master(QM), Dual, Triple, or Quad Disc setups.
The -9204 will also accept Clutch Master's 7.25 Dual, and Ram's also.
These Mazda Flywheels are manufactured by "FIDENZA" , and were designed by "Iannetti".

The Flywheel illustrated in the pictures of the Kit are made by Billington Manufacturing in Modesto California.
Designed and raced by the late Chuck Billington.
It is my faborite of all the 5.5's as it offfers the lowest "Monent of Innersia" of all flywheels ever, and is available directly from Billington or through us at CLR.

On the more "Streetable" side, besides a full Carbon Clutch, Both Tilton and Quarter Master (QM), offer an 8.5" inch Dual Disc Clutch that is both streetable and affortable.

Colaborating w/ QM, I have designed a Steel Flywheel for the 8.5 "Rally"
Dual Disc Clutch package.
This Larger Diameter Clutch Disc, offers great modulation, smooth engagement, long life, and serviceability of individual and separete parts.
This Flywheel will be offers in both a very "Light Weight Steel" version, about 5.2 pound,+ the weight of the Clutch, and also :
A "Heavy" version, about 24 pounds + the Clutch for the Drag Racers.
Either version will be machined to accept both the 8.5 Rally, or the 7.25 Race/ sport Clutch.

Last and NOT YET confirmed:,we are currently working on a modified version of this "Rally" 8.5" Clutch Cover that may very well accept Sprung Hubs as an upgrade street option.

Prices to follow.

CLR Motorsports
GT1-20b

GT1-20b

Pricing: as of 10/15/07

Flywheels, Mazda Speed :

0000-02-9207 Aluminum 5.5".. flywheels : 521.oo
0000-02-9204 Aluminum 7.25" flywheels : 380.oo

5.5 or 7.25 Multy Disc Clutch packages, icluding Carbon :
for Tilton, call Taylor Race eng. in Tx. (That's who I use)
for QM, call CLR, or QM direct.
for any other Brand, call manufacturer direct.

I am not listing prices for the above Clutch packages, as there are way too many options and variables that may apply
any one looking for advice, feel free to call me @ CLR.

The 8.5" "Rally" Dual Disc Clutch package is : $ 799.oo
The Driven Clutch Discs are : $ 109.00 ea. X (2)
* These Discs require the Supra 30.8mm X 14 Spline Hub and are special order from both Tilton & QM.

The CLR/ QM's 8.5/ 7.25 Steel Flywheels are : $ 639.oo each.
Either Heavy or Light, same price.
These Flywheels are CAD/ CAM by Quarter Master for CLR. and made to order.
If a GB can be arranged, the price will drop by a large amount.
QM requires a commitment run of a minimum of 12 units to be considered an "OTS"
(On the Shelf) item and therefore a much lower per unit price can be had.

Last, the Sprung Hub option.
If succesfull in fitment, it will provably add another $ 90.oo or so to the total.

Again, any questions please call.

Carlos
CLR Motorsports Inc.
GT1-20b

dhahlen

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aye

RX-Heven

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Carlos, I will get hold of you on Monday to order mine , assuming you are ready.
At this point, all I need is the adapter, starter and pilot bearing insert.

GT1-20b

Have kits partially ready and in stock.
Minor tapping of holes, and finishing details on Starter mount.

Let me know.

B/regards

Carlos

Juiceh

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When is the GB getting underway?

FDNewbie

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Just waitin on the email from Carlos to get the ball rolling...

streetRx7

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QUESTION CAN this setup work with a 1jz tranny...which is cheaper....or a 7mgte tranny with a JZ bell houseing...both setup bolts rite up to 2jz motor...so it would beable to bolt rite up to that plate of urs...????? I know 7mgte tranny holds up to 700hp IN stock form...

FDNewbie

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Hey guys,

I know a couple of you had expressed serious interest in this, so I'm going ahead w/ the GB on the 100% brand spankin new JDM (V161) Supra Getrag trannies. I'll be placing the order THIS month, so get in on it while you can. Here's the GB thread: https://www.rx7club.com/fdnewbie-imports-172/gb-100%25-brand-new-jdm-v161-supra-getrag-trannies-710133/#post7582711

Thanks!
~Ramy
FDNewbie Imports

RX-Heven

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Just got my adapter today
Thanks Carlos, it is a nice piece and fits perfect.

ErnieT

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Guys,
THere's a local Toyota Dealership near me and I know the owners son. They will do a brand new Supra Tranny for $4500.
Thompson Toyota
1101 Business Center Way
Edgewood, Md
410-679-1500

CMonakar

That's a lot more money that what a Dodge dealer quoted me for a new TR6060 Viper 6 speed gearbox. I still don't see why people are shying away form using a modern T-56 or TR6060 instead of a Supra box.

RX-Heven

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160 or 161?
I can the 160's for $4200 new.
The gear ratios suck, among other things, at least with the T-56. Not sure about a TR6060 though.

ErnieT

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Not sure, its whatever fits in the 93-98 Supra. Same tranny my friend runs 9.30's in his Supra.

allrotor93

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i wish someone would come out with a kit using the viper transmission...something on this car should be bolt on damnit! everything is a custom piece.

FDNewbie

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Dave, NO ONE inside the US (and *almost* no one outside of the US) can get V161s new - save for me I can pretty much guarantee that.

That, and it shifts like crap at high rpm, and has very limited options for shifter positioning.

CMonakar

1. I thought the gear ratios for a couple versions of that gearbox were perfect. If anything, I thought some of the gearing in the Supra box was too low.

2. There are lots of options for shifter position. You can even use a tri-pod style tail like what the Supra box has.

3. Another forum member is using a modern T-56 with his 20b and said it shifts fine at high rpm. Have you driven a C6 or C6 Z06 Corvette? I thought the transmission felt much better than the stock FD box and it shifted fine above 6,000.

I have not had a chance to try the new TR6060. It is supposed to be the biggest redesign yet and more or less has completely new internals. Among other things, it is supposed to shift smoother at high rpm. They have been building T-56 gearboxes for the better part of 10 years, and there have been a lot of improvements over that time, so you have to be careful when making generalizations about them.

FDNewbie

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That's cuz you're comparing apples and oranges. A drop-in different rear gear is available to compensate for that (brings it closer to the OEM Supra rear gear ratio).

Static positions. That's no fun.

Yea, IIRC, that's on the new gazillion dollar viper tranny only.

Yes, I know...and I posted in his thread, if you recall. The question is simple..."for how long" ?

Above 6,000? Up to what...it's oh-so-high 7,000 redline? lol. I *routinely* saw 8,500 rpm in my FD. That's unchartered territory for those motors and thus trannies. That's a pretty expensive gamble to take IMO, esp. when something tried & true which will fit PERFECTLY, with a complete bolt-on kit is readily available.

That's all I need to see really. 1) New design, 2) Confirms there have indeed been issues/concerns over shifting at higher rpm, and 3) Still installed on lower redline equipped vehicles...

Not saying it's bad/won't work, but why take chances when you have a sure-fire deal?

~Ramy

CMonakar

1. There are a few different TR6060 options that have suitable gear ratios and won't require a new differential as the Supra box does. I have never been crazy about the gearing of the Supra box.

2. The CTS-V box uses a floating tail and has triple/double syncros. There are a few stationary tail sections that are better options though.

3. Last time I checked that 'gazillion dollar' Viper transmission was cheaper NEW than the going rate for the USED Supra gearbox you're guiding everyone on the forum to buy.

4. We don't have a definite answer on how long it will last, but based on the 5 or so transmission shops I have spoken to in detail about this, it should be more than durable enough as long as you get one with double/triple syncros. What is their basis? -drag racing, OEM cars that use the same gearbox and redline above 7000, and the handful of rotaries that are using it.

What makes you so sure the FOURTEEN YEAR OLD USED Supra gearbox will outlast the TR6060 on a high rpm rotary? The Supra TT had a redline of 6,800 rpms.

Trjackson

I know for a fact the the v160 will handle 9000-9500 rpms stock. I have read that the t-56 and other variations of it, will handle 10,000 rpms, however, it needs to be modified.

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Jackson

FDNewbie

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You misunderstood. No new diff. Reuse the OEM one, and replace the GEAR, not the DIFF. It's a drop-in gear, no modification necessary.

Yea, one of the modifications the REQUIRE for the box to handle more torque than stock (400 - 500 ft lbs).

Oh really? How much was this Viper tranny? I remember a VERY high #. The Supra trans can be picked up for $2500 used all day long, or $4200 new for the USDM V160.

'Nuff said

Hmm...shop selling a tranny giving you advice about that tranny. Can you say "bias"? lol.

Yea I spoke w/ them too, and when you price out the HUGE list of "upgraded modifications" you'll need for your tranny to withstand considerably higher hp, the cost of the tranny goes up SEVERAL thousand dollars. I spoke w/ D&D, which is probably THE leading authority on many domestic trannies.

A NEW tranny dorko lol. NEW. Hence the price.

Haha that's where it BEGINS. It ends at 8,000 rpm, and a quick search of the Supra forums will show you just how high the Supra guys have revved their engines on OEM trannies FOURTEEN YEARS WORTH of data to support it in fact