61620B

That's what Ive been trying to get my point across. You can't compare a NHRA spec car (Flaco) to a non-NHRA spec car(if it he is running 3 turbos). Hell even I can get 3 of my turbos and claim the title as the fastest one in the world...but I dont have enough $ to complete my pro chassis . Maybe I'll try to set a goal on trying to be the fastest old schooler in the street....

Oh wait...maybe I am in this video

616 20B 20 PSI

Any objections?

KNONFS

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You are right, it wasn't you who said that, I am sorry



And here is the problem, racing cost money, traveling cost money, yet PR team was accused of not being legal\legit because they are not doing it here? and not being able to race at most of the NHRA events. Is not something you said, but is not the first time you hear this.




For some reason, I find this very hard to believe, unless his attitude has changed in the past couple of years. Who knows...



I think is weird that one of his highest acomplishments, was beating Siguel on a single pass. Why bring it up with a spsecific name? He knows better than that.

KNONFS

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And that is why they are offering money just to race him. Forget NHRA, & Nopi, is time to prove who is the fastest. Here is the problem, he is not saying I am the fastest at NHRA, or NOPI, he is saying "I AM the fastest".

Why claim being the Rotary King? Why is one of his highest acomplishments beating somebody's FD on a one time single pass? See the trend? You make good valid points, unfortunately, is not how Abel portrays himself.

Bern

KNONFS,
I think we've both made our points (at least I have) and I'll leave it to the educated readers of this forum to make up there minds on this issue. We can discuss our points-of-views and opinions 'til forever, and not get a consensus. I just hope folks support Rotary Power every where and anytime.


-Bern

Bern

61620B... hey we are ready to line-up the little red duece two rotor anytime... Just let us know when!!

-Bern

KNONFS

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You are right, I got carried away (call me fanatic ) , my bad

KNONFS

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That is a nice ride mate

Got more vids?

Bluem

hahaha you will meet god before u see that engine & turbo specs , btw the car is not tri-turbo, because i asked him if it was and he said no, siguel is very paranoid about that ,thats why he uses microtech ECU (they have a password) last week end they had a problem with the car and as soon as they took the nose off siguel covered the engine. like i said hes very paranoid about his set-ups.

naldy31

i guess people who race in puerto rico, australia, canada, europe ect ect. count.
the nhra is not the only authority. does that mean that record breaking runs that are run in other countries arent legit? gimme a break. a 6.81@200mph is just as legit as flacos 6.76 (one time) pass.
as far a i know the pro rear wheel drive class has no restrictions. the only restriction i can think of is weight based on engine size. also last i checked turbonetic, garret and other turbo manufactures sell turbos to anybody who can buy them. i dont want to hear excuses that he runs one turbo or this guy runs 3 turbos. if flaco wants to run one turbo thats on him. he could buy 5 of them if he wanted to.
one question though, if flaco cant make it down the track with one turbo, what makes you think he can run with 3?
flaco has talent no doubt. but his talents dont surpass those of siguel, falito, major league and others. that you cant deny.

Bern

You missed the point... yes they all count, but are they equal? If the cars are not set to the same rules or specifications, then is it fair to compare them? And who is the authority or overseer of the Rotary world record? If the only thing that mattered to all parties discussed here, was the fastest Rotary-in-the-World contest, then this would be true... but that only matters to fools like us on this forum, and a few true-blue rotary guys around the world. It gives us something to bitch, moan, and argue about on these forums, that's it, really. If there were a serious prize for this deal, then I'd start building a serious rotary rail and kill this deal, but that's not the reality of this deal.... is it? All that some people are trying to bring across is that to compare, the cars should be built to the same specs. If ML breaks our enthusiast created and much prized rotary record, cool.... but what does it mean? Just some publicity and bragging rights.... no pro championships or major sponsorships waiting in the wings.

And no where have you seen on here that anyone has said that the talents of Flaco are greater than any of the folks you mentioned. All have much talent and thankfully they are exploiting them, along with their resources, for our enjoyment and wonderment.... not denying anything!

On the NHRA PRO-RWD class, yes there are restrictions (please read above), and no Flaco is NOT allowed to run 3-turbos in NHRA, no more than 2 allowed.


2005 NHRA Season, FLACO Performance to date:

Florida:
7.011 / 197.49
7.733 / 188.71

Las Vegas:
6.764 / 204.35
6.844 / 204.20

E-Town: *(one run only, due to rain delay)
9.545 / 122.30

ATCO:
6.959 / 204.49
6.790 / 193.38
7.078 / 198.50

Colorado:
8.927 / 164.33
7.233 / 191.05
7.535 / 180.02
7.143 / 195.14

Still 4 NHRA rounds left in the season.... the car did get down the track a few times! There are a few more slower than 8 second passes I didn't post.... but not in the scope of this discussion anyway. All these passes were done in competition.


-Bern

61620B

Rotor is a rotor...13B, 20B...they are all teh same displacement. He problaly uses the typical:

Water to Air Intercooler
3 Huge turbos(maybe Thumpers)
1600 Injectors X 16
Multiple ignition boxes
alcohol fuel
mechanical pump
Dry sump oil system
Huge TV box intake manifold
Problaly a triple or quaduple 6 inch clutch
Ceramic Apex seals
16 bolt dowel pins(about 1/2 inch diameter or so)
Possible Motec or MicroTech computer(LTX16) with 5 bar sensor
Possible 2.60 first gear
A new zealand billet crank
blah blah blah etc....you know the rest

This is a small portion IF, thats IF you have the $$$, but it is still Air, fuel, ignition to run a rotary.

WHAT IS THERE TO HIDE?!?!!, SHOW ME THE ENGINE!

mad20b

Good call Rene! I wanna see it too!!

kabooski

hmm maybe C16 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


My Tuners car
Worlds fastest 13B

ALSO run C16! 7.3 in the 1/4 mile

HeHe

Keep quessing

naldy31

[QUOTE=Bern] If ML breaks our enthusiast created and much prized rotary record, cool.... but what does it mean? Just some publicity and bragging rights.... no pro championships or major sponsorships waiting in the wings.


thats the difference in puerto rico,they built these cars for bragging rights and for the hobby of it. for the love of the sport. have you ever looked at the list of the fastest imports in puerto rico?
there are over 300 imports running between 6.81@200mph and 9.99@122mph.
these cars dont come cheap. yet people keep spending crazy money to race locally for bragging rights. yeah once in a while you'll see a few competing in the nhra, but these guys spend the majority of the money on the car. im not saying that guys like abel, bullish, papadakis, ect ect dont love the sport. but for them its about the money. if the nhra wasnt in town, i guarantee you guys like bullish, scranton, titan, wouldnt exist, heck if the nhra wasnt in town, guys like matt hartford, lisa kubo, stephan papadakis, and a few others wouldnt even have a car. all these guys have no ride. they are driving company car.
having said that, i guarantee you that if the nhra wasnt in town, those 300+ imports running between 6.81 and 9.99 and the dozens of others projects coming out soon would still be racing.

nin-ja

It's only a matter of time before the 3-rotors make a major breakthrough and win the championship.

peko gonzalos

championship? What do you think this is the WORLD SERIES?

Bern

I've met Ara, and Stephen, but I can only speak for Abel somewhat... and I'll tell you he's not in it for the money... he's lost more money running a Mazda in the NHRA and other Pro Circuits than he's ever made... like I said, he could've taken a pro ride this year in top piston racer, and got paid nice fat $$, but he didn't... he loves Rotary and that's what he does... now if you can make a few $$ doing it, no one should be mad.

Remember that Abel has pushed the rotary envelope in this country from the very beginning of the import drag scene... and on the street before that... way before NDRA, NHRA, NOPI, XXXX, etc... He was at the first few BOI races where they paid like $0 to win.... Shoot, remember that he was even the first import guy to cross the country to go run the piston-vs-rotores event in NJ... with no real sponsors or real money... he did it to prove he could and for the love of the game.

You have to understand that Abel has no real independent wealth or income, beyond the racing and tuning he does, so racing is his life and job... he has to try and make a living at it: for him, the wife and his two girls.

In my opinion, Abel is really in it to prove that he and rotary power can still run with the fastest in the world; in one of top and most established race associations in the world... no more no less... like all I'm sure the noteriaty and fame that comes with being high-profile, is cool... but he would be doing it even if there weren't any pro-circuits out there... Because this fool is driven and obsessive that way...

and on the peeps not doing the import thing without the PRO circuits in the USA... well on the mainland the deal is IMHO that domestics are just so much more cost effective to build and run that peeps do that instead... I couldn't even begin to count how many between 6.81 and 9.99 domestics there are in this country that are run just for the fun and love of drag racing... no one is questioning the love and passion of all others out there... and I agree that PR and Oz have this country covered in the import drag scene.

Hey... I think it would be cool if Abel could take the sponsorship money he had, to build a no-holds bar outlaw type racer, and run it at local race/test nights just for the hell of it... the car would probably break all the time , but I'll tell you... it would be faster than his current RX-8!! The funny things is, if Abel had the money, I know that this is exactly what this fool would do!!

-Bern

Bern

I wanna see the engine too... I'm sure it's super clean and an extremely well set-up!!

I'll show you ours... now show me there's









-Bern

RoTaRyBoYz

its probably similar to dennis marquis tri- turbo short crank 3rotor, cuz the motor was built by the same person as the ML car...also on sunday at the lakeland race in florida i herd a few mechanics talking about the ML car...RUMOR is the motor cost them about $60k.... alot of money to spent for bragging rights...
also alot of guys was talking about how under weight some of the PR cars was....now these guys are well known PR tuners and drivers here in FL that was making these comments thats y its so hard not to believe them....i flew down to FL just to see Kilo race the peri-20b that use to rule NHRA all motor class a few years ago...the PR boys need to come run under the NHRA rules in order for us to have a level playing field or a valid comparable record against abel....for me Abel is STILL THE KING,and will ALWAYS be no matter what happens.....the guy has nutting to hide, he always welcome me into the pits to see the car,answers all of my questions and he even shows me parts of his engines if i dont believe him on work or parts hes using.....what is there to hide??? the only thing i could see them tring to hide is the intake manifold, cuz its easier to copy than turbos and the engine internals....heres a pic of dennis's car

1BADRICAN

" We Started The Import Drag Racing Thing" And if we did not......

" WE WERE IN A 1200 DATSUN ROTARY ON THAT FIRST RACE"

Curtisleeyoung

All the video links are down, anyone got one that works?

kabooski

NHRA this NHRA that

plz before NHRA there was NIRA which NHRA bought

rotaries like Falito has been racing long before NHRA ever did import racing

funny cause Abel had claimed the fastest 2 rotor (before sporty 7.3 pass)
when he did a 7.44 pass in vegas in private testing not at a NHRA event

NHRA is almost all 6cyl now in the RWD class's
very very very few 4 cyl and rotaries in competition left

But out of the NHRA circuit there are hundreds of fast 4 cyl and rotaries race cars out there

NHRA which are bias against Rotaries don't mean **** in the grand scheme of things

KNONFS

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That is an easy one, Puerto Ricans from PR argue\fight over bragging rights againts Puerto Ricans from US, hence the reason for the Pan-Ams. Is all about being the fastest, or at least it used to be....

As far as what you believe, yes there are underweight cars in PR, guess what? Those are the back yard mechanics, racing cars that are bunny hoping all the way thru the 1/4 mile, rust all over the body, etc.

How can Falito, Siguel, Sakura, La Atrevida (and the list keeps going) be underweight and race at NHRA events?



You best shot is having NHRA create regular events at PR, otherwise NHRA means **** to those back home. The only ones that REALLY care are the same ones who come over across the the ocean and actually race at the NHRA events. Yep, you guessed it, the same ones holding the records.

Since when? last year? He was the FIRST one who started the hide the engine issue

Lucky you!

NICE car, can't wait to see it run!

kabooski

Dennis the menace

has had this car over 4 years now with a 3 rotor
it breaks motors all the time
and I don''t even think it has run a 7 second pass in competition

It also had a motor built by Alec at Kiwi
and the result is? it runs like ****

Siguel is a MASTER TUNER the the diffrence
thats is 100% the reason for why this car runs what it runs



Alec Bell built the original engine that has been rebuilt by Siguel, only to be freshened up and inspected where it was all found to be fine. Well done on the engine Alec. However lets get things straight, many others have used the same engines without success and the only others to run within a bulls roar of these types of times are either repairing or freshening their engines every chance they get. Sorry if I have disillusioned any of you, but that is why they are where they are.
SIGUEL AHS THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE TO MAKE THIS CAR DO WHAT IT HAS DONE AND THE CREDIT FOR ITS PERFORMANCE GOES TO HIM AND HIM ALONE. The credit for the car goes to its owners and sponsors (Major League Team), as they have made this happen and paid the dollars to everyone else involved.
All of the other parties (workshops or products used) have their own shops and cars and could not blow sunshine up this things rear end.
As for the weight or legallity of this car, I am unaware that there is a rulebook for the worlds fastest rotor and I can assure you that you could throw a blanket over the top 10 3 rotors weights and vehicle specifications. Also keep in mind that this is its 5th time out with promise of much much more.
As for the people with all of the good sources, I can personally assure you that no-one would have the slightest idea of how Siguel has set the Map/ Clutch or other specs in this car so please, "Do not speak **** of what you do not know anything about", that quote came directly from the man so if you dont like that perhaps you take that up with Siguel himself.
REgards-Anthony Rodrigues

KNONFS

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