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Old 08-16-07, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
I have been working on an NA 20b and think it will make 375-400 whp, though its a few weeks from dyno. I suspect it will make well in excess of 300 ft pounds from 1500-8500. We are using 10.5:1 Renesis rotors with the usual improved seals and springs and a slightly different approach to porting we think is better suited to the NA 20b. There are several subframe solutions available that eliminate the usual problems. Also, while we have yet to weigh the results and I have heard that many think it will weigh more than the stock car, I am fairly comfortable that it will weigh more -- perhaps well more -- than 50 pounds less and all from the front. So much stuff comes off related to the turbos.

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300rwtq from 1500-8500, I am eager to see the dyno of that! Renesis rotors are 10.0 :1, and I am not sure I would call the seals and springs a improvement, but I guess we will find out. The weight difference has been recorded a while ago for a FD with a n/a 3-rotor, but everyones car is going to be different depending on what was kept and if a cage ect. was added. Let us know once the results are in.
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GtoRx7: We spoke a year or more ago, if you remember. I said I suspected it might make 300 ft lbs... I am simply hopeful and that is a target. I'll let you know how it goes. As to the motor and the discussion of renesis compression ratios, seals, etc... This motor is a real spitz. When its done, I'll get a list of the stuff that went into it posted with any dyno results. I don't think there has yet been a lot of experimentation with NA 3 rotors. I'm not sure it has the same cycle as the single turbo stuff did or that it ever can, since Its a lot easier and cheaper and proven to just go single turbo for 450+ hp. Anyway, might as well play around with one and see what happens.



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Ya I was just gonna ask if anybody had dyno sheets from an N/A 20B, but i'm thinking there probly aren't too many of them.
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
GtoRx7: We spoke a year or more ago, if you remember. I said I suspected it might make 300 ft lbs... I am simply hopeful and that is a target.

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He was questioning your suspected 300 ft lb tq rating from 1,500 - 8,500 rpm's, not just the peak. Cause there's no way a 20b will get 300lbs that early in the power band being NA.
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Originally Posted by Unseen24-7
Ya I was just gonna ask if anybody had dyno sheets from an N/A 20B, but i'm thinking there probly aren't too many of them.
REted, Bcool, and more have dyno charts of 20B n/a's, and I have one as well, but it was a horrible scan, and the car with still working out ecu issues.
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I have a slightly different 20b project going on that I hope to get 400 rwhp N/A out of. Details can be found here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...0sheridan&st=0
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Soloracer, that is one hell of a proyect, good luck!
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Originally Posted by soloracer951
I have a slightly different 20b project going on that I hope to get 400 rwhp N/A out of. Details can be found here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...0sheridan&st=0
Soloracer, I always watched your project with joy! That paint job on the car is VERY badass! With a full p-port like yours, and combined with a more direct driveline setup, it should put out 400+rwhp with ease. But horsepower numbers isnt really the main pro to the p-port anyway. Its the torque Let us know when that beast is running!
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Here is the dyno from my NA 20B hillclimb car. The engine was street ported and had a custom upper intake with a 75mm throttle body. The 281HP run had the shop's exhaust hose pluged into the tailpipe , the 290HP was just the car's muffler.
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Originally Posted by Cartman2120
Here is the dyno from my NA 20B hillclimb car. The engine was street ported and had a custom upper intake with a 75mm throttle body. The 281HP run had the shop's exhaust hose pluged into the tailpipe , the 290HP was just the car's muffler.
Are you using the 9.0:1 rotors or the 9.7:1 rotors? And I just noticed you dyno'd to 9500rpms, did you do any supporting mods internally for that?
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7
Are you using the 9.0:1 rotors or the 9.7:1 rotors? And I just noticed you dyno'd to 9500rpms, did you do any supporting mods internally for that?
They are the 13B-REW 9.0:1 rotors. The engine mods include lightweight rotors, ceramic apex seals, oil system mods including 140PSI pressure. Rotor housings are 13B-REW as is the front, rear mid and rear irons.

With the GT4202R on this engine now I am limiting the RPM to 8500.
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Originally Posted by Cartman2120
Here is the dyno from my NA 20B hillclimb car. The engine was street ported and had a custom upper intake with a 75mm throttle body. The 281HP run had the shop's exhaust hose pluged into the tailpipe , the 290HP was just the car's muffler.
thats a great result for a single TB and low compression rotors.

Do you have any pics of the intake manifold and throttle body?
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everyone going 20b n/a
thats always been my dream setup for FC or FD


gimme 5 years to finish her :P
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