I've about had it with Haltech
12-12-02 | 11:26 AM
#103
Originally posted by mad20b
There is probably a good reason for that - if you could be bothered checking his web site you would more than likely find he has been away in canada or the states or somewhere tuning.
There is probably a good reason for that - if you could be bothered checking his web site you would more than likely find he has been away in canada or the states or somewhere tuning.
12-16-02 | 09:51 PM
#104
It's obvious that Kurgan doesn't want the E11, so just leave it at that. He posted the original topic for "alternatives" and not some convincing thread.
MICROTECH
Tito has installed and ran a few 3-rotor FD's in San Antonio on the street. So, he has experience in making a 3-rotor FD streetable. However, he's not very helpful in sharing knowledge.
AEM
Anyways, I think the AEM is a good alternative.
Node, just because a few people had problems with starting up an ECU and expecting it to solve all the bugs in their car as well as run to the track is absurd. Yes, the base map could be a whole lot better, but it's a stand alone system!! PnP is the connector.
I had NO issues with my first install. It was so damn easy and impressive! There were some tweaks I had to make in the map to make the acceleration smoother and the cold start better.
It's "scary or a nightmare" to tune because you're not familiar with the interface. I was in awe the first time and I slowly took my time to learn which maps to display all the time and create my datalogs. It's a very powerful ECU and it will take some patience to learn it all. Most advanced featured devices do take some time to learn btw.
The support line is good. I heard it's busy at times, but the techs know their stuff and can help out. The forum updates are pretty informative as well.
The only gripe with the AEM ECU I have up to date is the lack of support for low impedance injector drivers. However, a resistor pack is a workaround and the associated affect on the rising edge shouldn't matter since the injector sinks current, not sources.
Autotune is working in the AEM 0.85 release, but I haven't tried it out yet. In fact, I've been so swamped at work that I put my rotary on the backburner.
Good luck on your decision.
J
MICROTECH
Tito has installed and ran a few 3-rotor FD's in San Antonio on the street. So, he has experience in making a 3-rotor FD streetable. However, he's not very helpful in sharing knowledge.
AEM
Anyways, I think the AEM is a good alternative.
Node, just because a few people had problems with starting up an ECU and expecting it to solve all the bugs in their car as well as run to the track is absurd. Yes, the base map could be a whole lot better, but it's a stand alone system!! PnP is the connector.
I had NO issues with my first install. It was so damn easy and impressive! There were some tweaks I had to make in the map to make the acceleration smoother and the cold start better.
It's "scary or a nightmare" to tune because you're not familiar with the interface. I was in awe the first time and I slowly took my time to learn which maps to display all the time and create my datalogs. It's a very powerful ECU and it will take some patience to learn it all. Most advanced featured devices do take some time to learn btw.
The support line is good. I heard it's busy at times, but the techs know their stuff and can help out. The forum updates are pretty informative as well.
The only gripe with the AEM ECU I have up to date is the lack of support for low impedance injector drivers. However, a resistor pack is a workaround and the associated affect on the rising edge shouldn't matter since the injector sinks current, not sources.
Autotune is working in the AEM 0.85 release, but I haven't tried it out yet. In fact, I've been so swamped at work that I put my rotary on the backburner.
Good luck on your decision.
J
12-19-02 | 01:15 PM
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the motec pricing is super hard to find
it looks like it would be under $7k
i think i found prices at www.motec.com
the us site
mike
it looks like it would be under $7k
i think i found prices at www.motec.com
the us site
mike
12-19-02 | 01:20 PM
#107
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Too bad tim from horsepower in a box isn't around this month. He has some VERY good prices on these. I'm trying to pick up a vendor account with his company, and when I do, I'll post prices for you guys.
01-10-03 | 06:40 PM
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FYI. Rick Stiles Racing exclusively carries a Leading and Trailling Delay Box with adjustable timing between L and T work with 3 rotor and 4 rotor apps. It also works with any ECU. E-mail for more info at Rickstilesracing@lycos.com
01-12-03 | 05:08 AM
#111
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Originally posted by RickStiles
FYI. Rick Stiles Racing exclusively carries a Leading and Trailling Delay Box with adjustable timing between L and T work with 3 rotor and 4 rotor apps. It also works with any ECU. E-mail for more info at Rickstilesracing@lycos.com
FYI. Rick Stiles Racing exclusively carries a Leading and Trailling Delay Box with adjustable timing between L and T work with 3 rotor and 4 rotor apps. It also works with any ECU. E-mail for more info at Rickstilesracing@lycos.com
ANY ecu?
Ok... say I need to run a n/a, CARBED, 4 rotor, with LS1 coil packs. Should I just get an LS1 ECU?
Also, I will be needing one for a 20B. Let me know.
01-12-03 | 10:42 AM
#112
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No need for a fuel computer with a carb. You would either use a distributor setup for the ignition, or rig up a CAS device to signal a direct fire ignition system, such as an MSD.
01-12-03 | 12:06 PM
#113
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Originally posted by 10sec rx7
God it is funny what some people come up with, once cold start is TUNED the car will start and run fine when cold,
its funny how most people on this forum have had nothing to do with it at all and say all this stuff about it,
its sad that a few people have had no luck with it and all of a sudden its the worst ECU in the world,
The fact that it runs the 3 fastest 20b's in the world and 80% of rotor street cars in AUS means nothing.
Dale
God it is funny what some people come up with, once cold start is TUNED the car will start and run fine when cold,
its funny how most people on this forum have had nothing to do with it at all and say all this stuff about it,
its sad that a few people have had no luck with it and all of a sudden its the worst ECU in the world,
The fact that it runs the 3 fastest 20b's in the world and 80% of rotor street cars in AUS means nothing.
Dale
My biggest problem was smoke on decel and they fixed that aswell.
Mario
01-12-03 | 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by AJatx
It's obvious that Kurgan doesn't want the E11, so just leave it at that. He posted the original topic for "alternatives" and not some convincing thread.
MICROTECH
Tito has installed and ran a few 3-rotor FD's in San Antonio on the street. So, he has experience in making a 3-rotor FD streetable. However, he's not very helpful in sharing knowledge.
J
It's obvious that Kurgan doesn't want the E11, so just leave it at that. He posted the original topic for "alternatives" and not some convincing thread.
MICROTECH
Tito has installed and ran a few 3-rotor FD's in San Antonio on the street. So, he has experience in making a 3-rotor FD streetable. However, he's not very helpful in sharing knowledge.
J
201-488-5111
Mario
01-12-03 | 02:47 PM
#115
Originally posted by RickStiles
FYI. Rick Stiles Racing exclusively carries a Leading and Trailling Delay Box with adjustable timing between L and T work with 3 rotor and 4 rotor apps. It also works with any ECU. E-mail for more info at Rickstilesracing@lycos.com
FYI. Rick Stiles Racing exclusively carries a Leading and Trailling Delay Box with adjustable timing between L and T work with 3 rotor and 4 rotor apps. It also works with any ECU. E-mail for more info at Rickstilesracing@lycos.com
that car was waay ahead of the game when it was built... you would haved owned the outlaw class with that car 4 years ago......
you interested in selling it??
Roan
01-12-03 | 05:47 PM
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No it is not for sale! The 20B is still up and running with lots and lots of new features. We will be at our first race (IDRC) this year in Feb @ Palmdale, CA. For more info on the car and racing team visit http://www.rickstilesracing.com
01-12-03 | 07:51 PM
#117
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Interesting that you don't want a good drag racing EMS
since thats what you call the microtech is
and your whole project was intended for drag racing how ironic!
Hope you have fun getting groceries
since thats what you call the microtech is
and your whole project was intended for drag racing how ironic!
Hope you have fun getting groceries
01-13-03 | 03:06 AM
#118
what have you guys been doing with the car for the last 4 years???
not one event?
not one test and tune??
not one event?
not one test and tune??
Originally posted by Global Concepts
No it is not for sale! The 20B is still up and running with lots and lots of new features. We will be at our first race (IDRC) this year in Feb @ Palmdale, CA. For more info on the car and racing team visit http://www.rickstilesracing.com
No it is not for sale! The 20B is still up and running with lots and lots of new features. We will be at our first race (IDRC) this year in Feb @ Palmdale, CA. For more info on the car and racing team visit http://www.rickstilesracing.com
01-13-03 | 10:43 AM
#119
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Originally posted by kabooski
Interesting that you don't want a good drag racing EMS
since thats what you call the microtech is
and your whole project was intended for drag racing how ironic!
Hope you have fun getting groceries
Interesting that you don't want a good drag racing EMS
since thats what you call the microtech is
and your whole project was intended for drag racing how ironic!
Hope you have fun getting groceries
01-13-03 | 04:47 PM
#120
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Spark scatter
What is spark scatter?
Best,
John
Best,
John
Originally posted by Kurgan
I still don't know about the tec III, when the electromotive technician told me that the 6/12 wouldn't do it, I kind of believe him.
Not interested in a Microtech... no first hand experience, but from what I understand, that's exactly what you get.... micro-tech... as in not much. Plus, the spark scatter is something I want to get away from ... the E6K is NOT a very good ignition ECU.
I ventured over to the AEM forum and asked the question about split timing on the 3rotor... it CAN do it. They can assign extra ignition drivers to be coil drivers. I think I'm gonna go with an AEM.
AEM Link:
http://www.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1391
I still don't know about the tec III, when the electromotive technician told me that the 6/12 wouldn't do it, I kind of believe him.
Not interested in a Microtech... no first hand experience, but from what I understand, that's exactly what you get.... micro-tech... as in not much. Plus, the spark scatter is something I want to get away from ... the E6K is NOT a very good ignition ECU.
I ventured over to the AEM forum and asked the question about split timing on the 3rotor... it CAN do it. They can assign extra ignition drivers to be coil drivers. I think I'm gonna go with an AEM.
AEM Link:
http://www.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1391
01-14-03 | 01:03 PM
#121
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Kurgan
I would hold off on the AEM Ecu because there are some isuses, problems that we're experiencing that they have not corrected as of yet. Lets just say it's ignition related.
I know you're pissed off at Haltech's customer support as of late and that includes me also but someone here in Florida just got their 20B project running with the E-11 and they're pretty impressed with the results so far. I was also impressed as of how quickly they got it running. Their exact words were that it took longer to get the E-6K running on the 13B.
My best advice as to handling Haltech would be to deal with the head direct or Matt 'The Hitman' in Aussie!
I was also told that the Motec M-880 can do split on the 20B. Abel(Flaco racing) is using it on his 20B.
BTW. The ignition set up was pretty simple with the E-11 on the 20B. It consisted of 6 coils off the new corvettes the ones on top of the valve covers. They are made by Denso and have built in ignitors.
crispeed
87 Rx-7 TII
9.204@150.47mph
2600lbs
un-tubbed
I would hold off on the AEM Ecu because there are some isuses, problems that we're experiencing that they have not corrected as of yet. Lets just say it's ignition related.
I know you're pissed off at Haltech's customer support as of late and that includes me also but someone here in Florida just got their 20B project running with the E-11 and they're pretty impressed with the results so far. I was also impressed as of how quickly they got it running. Their exact words were that it took longer to get the E-6K running on the 13B.
My best advice as to handling Haltech would be to deal with the head direct or Matt 'The Hitman' in Aussie!
I was also told that the Motec M-880 can do split on the 20B. Abel(Flaco racing) is using it on his 20B.
BTW. The ignition set up was pretty simple with the E-11 on the 20B. It consisted of 6 coils off the new corvettes the ones on top of the valve covers. They are made by Denso and have built in ignitors.
crispeed
87 Rx-7 TII
9.204@150.47mph
2600lbs
un-tubbed
01-14-03 | 02:15 PM
#122
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Originally posted by crispeed
Kurgan
I would hold off on the AEM Ecu because there are some isuses, problems that we're experiencing that they have not corrected as of yet. Lets just say it's ignition related.
I know you're pissed off at Haltech's customer support as of late and that includes me also but someone here in Florida just got their 20B project running with the E-11 and they're pretty impressed with the results so far. I was also impressed as of how quickly they got it running. Their exact words were that it took longer to get the E-6K running on the 13B.
My best advice as to handling Haltech would be to deal with the head direct or Matt 'The Hitman' in Aussie!
I was also told that the Motec M-880 can do split on the 20B. Abel(Flaco racing) is using it on his 20B.
BTW. The ignition set up was pretty simple with the E-11 on the 20B. It consisted of 6 coils off the new corvettes the ones on top of the valve covers. They are made by Denso and have built in ignitors.
crispeed
87 Rx-7 TII
9.204@150.47mph
2600lbs
un-tubbed
Kurgan
I would hold off on the AEM Ecu because there are some isuses, problems that we're experiencing that they have not corrected as of yet. Lets just say it's ignition related.
I know you're pissed off at Haltech's customer support as of late and that includes me also but someone here in Florida just got their 20B project running with the E-11 and they're pretty impressed with the results so far. I was also impressed as of how quickly they got it running. Their exact words were that it took longer to get the E-6K running on the 13B.
My best advice as to handling Haltech would be to deal with the head direct or Matt 'The Hitman' in Aussie!
I was also told that the Motec M-880 can do split on the 20B. Abel(Flaco racing) is using it on his 20B.
BTW. The ignition set up was pretty simple with the E-11 on the 20B. It consisted of 6 coils off the new corvettes the ones on top of the valve covers. They are made by Denso and have built in ignitors.
crispeed
87 Rx-7 TII
9.204@150.47mph
2600lbs
un-tubbed
I believe he is going with the Tec3 6/12 or whatever. But he hasn't commited to anything yet..
As for the corvette coils, Reted said that those coils suck and would not be any good. Do you have any dynos of a car running those? any ignition breakup or anything?
Thanks,
-Zach
01-16-03 | 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by zyounker
As for the corvette coils, Reted said that those coils suck and would not be any good. Do you have any dynos of a car running those? any ignition breakup or anything?
As for the corvette coils, Reted said that those coils suck and would not be any good. Do you have any dynos of a car running those? any ignition breakup or anything?
-Ted
01-16-03 | 04:01 PM
#125
root
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Originally posted by RETed
Just to clarify, I said my experience with coil-on-plug applications have been unsatisfactory.  These were specifically Nissan parts and not the abovementioned Corvette parts.
-Ted
Just to clarify, I said my experience with coil-on-plug applications have been unsatisfactory.  These were specifically Nissan parts and not the abovementioned Corvette parts.
-Ted
Sorry about the mis-information.. Still would like to see a dyno of the corvette coils on a 20B running decent boost..
-Zach