contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
03-22-04 | 12:07 PM
#102
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Well, uh, I think I figured out how to build a 4-rotor with only "not too godawfully complicated" machining operations... and I *know* I figured out how to setup a dry sump... 
I *so* need to scrape the parts together to start making testbed motors...
I *so* need to scrape the parts together to start making testbed motors...
03-22-04 | 01:26 PM
#103
I'll blow it up real good
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Originally posted by RETed
Maybe you should ask them how much money it took them to build that thing...
That motor looks low and pushed back.
That hints of dry sump oil system.
How many of us are running dry sump???
-Ted
Maybe you should ask them how much money it took them to build that thing...
That motor looks low and pushed back.
That hints of dry sump oil system.
How many of us are running dry sump???
-Ted
03-30-04 | 02:47 AM
#104
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From: socal
no...expense, y not contact those at mazdaspeed. those that build the "mazdaspeed cart" for the mazda star cart series? they're running rotary engins. colaborate w/ them, im sure they have tons of r&d info just sitting around....
01-02-05 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Barwick
someone PM'd me for an update: As it stands the money is still an issue. I was expecting to be making more than I am right now, but buying a house kinda killed the extra spending. I have more than doubled the income from $40k to $90k in a year due to business, and expect the same to happen again by the end of this year.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
02-02-05 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowX
How do people find threads this old??!??! (I think I've done it too.) Must be some sort of internet paradox.
02-03-05 | 09:52 AM
#109
this guys gotta be just talking. . .if money is really no issue. . .
http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset....tnumber=engine
just have racing beat do everything for you. . .they invented peripheral porting which MazdaSpeed then used to win the LeMans.
if money was REALLY know object, why would you go on a forum instead of just paying someone like peter farrell or some other widely known expert to design and build you a true supercar.
as fun as it is to pretend. money is always an object
http://www.racingbeat.com/resultset....tnumber=engine
just have racing beat do everything for you. . .they invented peripheral porting which MazdaSpeed then used to win the LeMans.
if money was REALLY know object, why would you go on a forum instead of just paying someone like peter farrell or some other widely known expert to design and build you a true supercar.
as fun as it is to pretend. money is always an object
01-26-06 | 01:26 PM
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Interested to see if you are taking delivery of the Ferrari this year or are you still building your 20b project?
Originally Posted by Barwick
someone PM'd me for an update: As it stands the money is still an issue. I was expecting to be making more than I am right now, but buying a house kinda killed the extra spending. I have more than doubled the income from $40k to $90k in a year due to business, and expect the same to happen again by the end of this year.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
01-26-06 | 08:58 PM
#111
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From: Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
Originally Posted by hawk 7
Interested to see if you are taking delivery of the Ferrari this year or are you still building your 20b project?
PS: I really hope the Ferrari dealership had the morality to refuse any payment from somebody who only makes $40-90K/year.
01-26-06 | 10:20 PM
#112
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i hate people that talk the talk but when i comes down to it they don't deliver. an 60K in a FD will blow that pants off of any 360 modena but whatever i guess go ahead and make your 1500 a month payment
01-27-06 | 06:06 AM
#113
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Originally Posted by FromSilvia2seven
i hate people that talk the talk but when i comes down to it they don't deliver. an 60K in a FD will blow that pants off of any 360 modena but whatever i guess go ahead and make your 1500 a month payment
Um, more like a $2,700/month payment on a new base model Modena coupe, assuming you could still get one. The insurance isn't a walk in the park either.
01-27-06 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
Well, we all have our ups and downs, and nobody with any business experience even remotely thought he would meet his goals. Now that he is a little older and a little more experienced, I think he has a better chance of setting more reasonable goals and reaching them. Anyway, one of the main reasons for an internet forum is to discuss things like "the ultimate rotary", whether or not anybody thinks it is affordable.
Um, more like a $2,700/month payment on a new base model Modena coupe, assuming you could still get one. The insurance isn't a walk in the park either.
Um, more like a $2,700/month payment on a new base model Modena coupe, assuming you could still get one. The insurance isn't a walk in the park either.
01-01-07 | 10:11 AM
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Any progress??
The story is, right now my business is only bringing in just short of a grand a month. Within the next 6 months I'll be bringing in a few grand, and 2 or 3 years down the road, 50 or 60 grand a month is what I'm looking at. That's why money won't be an issue. I know it sounds like a bunch of bull, but if you really need to, treat it like a "theoretical" buildup with unlimited money. Or imagine I make $60,000 a year and rotor housings cost $1.25
someone PM'd me for an update: As it stands the money is still an issue. I was expecting to be making more than I am right now, but buying a house kinda killed the extra spending. I have more than doubled the income from $40k to $90k in a year due to business, and expect the same to happen again by the end of this year.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
Originally Posted by Barwick
In the Winter of 2003 I'm going to be contacting a few rotary building companies, including Racing Beat, Mazdatrix, and SDJ Motorsports (and probably others) and "contracting" them to build me the best combination of ultra-high power and reliability (for a few years hopefully), and of course a little bit of street drivability (has to have some power down low).. with no limit on the expense of the whole system.
Now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it to a 20B, because.. well... because..
I need your guyses help to tell me what sort of things I should be looking into. Mild street port, big street port, bridge port, peripheral port (yeah!!!), whatever. What type of apex seals (3-piece, 2-piece, 1-piece (do they make these?), carbon, steel, ceramic, etc.. any aftermarket forged internals that might exist, what turbo to slap onto it, what fuel system, what computer, I mean.. we're building a whole car here.
Now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it to a 20B, because.. well... because..
I need your guyses help to tell me what sort of things I should be looking into. Mild street port, big street port, bridge port, peripheral port (yeah!!!), whatever. What type of apex seals (3-piece, 2-piece, 1-piece (do they make these?), carbon, steel, ceramic, etc.. any aftermarket forged internals that might exist, what turbo to slap onto it, what fuel system, what computer, I mean.. we're building a whole car here.
someone PM'd me for an update: As it stands the money is still an issue. I was expecting to be making more than I am right now, but buying a house kinda killed the extra spending. I have more than doubled the income from $40k to $90k in a year due to business, and expect the same to happen again by the end of this year.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
01-02-08 | 07:58 PM
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The story is, right now my business is only bringing in just short of a grand a month. Within the next 6 months I'll be bringing in a few grand, and 2 or 3 years down the road, 50 or 60 grand a month is what I'm looking at. That's why money won't be an issue. I know it sounds like a bunch of bull, but if you really need to, treat it like a "theoretical" buildup with unlimited money. Or imagine I make $60,000 a year and rotor housings cost $1.25
someone PM'd me for an update: As it stands the money is still an issue. I was expecting to be making more than I am right now, but buying a house kinda killed the extra spending. I have more than doubled the income from $40k to $90k in a year due to business, and expect the same to happen again by the end of this year.
And with respect to that, I'm almost torn. I've got my name on the 2 1/2 year list for a 360 Coupe at Cauley Ferrari, and if it came down to it I'd actually rather put $165k out for a 360 than $60k out for a built FC or even FD.
But the project will happen, it's just a matter of time. I've got in touch with a guy who makes silver core intercoolers (silver is a better conductor of heat than even aluminum) and he's going to be building the intercooler and piping.
I still need to find out if anyone makes forged housings, rotors, E-shafts, etc.. and if there's an option to add extra bearings somewhere in the 20B to prevent the E-shaft from flexing under high boost.
On the other hand, you probably all heard about the guy on here offering 3-rotor conversions for around $30,000 and guaranteeing 600+hp on pump fuel on low boost, and 800+ on race gas, and completely street drivable. I might even just go with that seeing as I wouldn't have to do any of the work myself.
Right now I'm looking at a bunch of projects:
Paying off the mortgage we got last April
Banking money to cut a check for the 360.
Getting a 4-door 5-series BMW for a business car.
Picking up an FC race car for ITS to get some track experience.
Picking up a new car for the wife.
So as you can see, the 3-rotor project isn't top on my list. But like I said, it'll still happen, whether it be fully custom or if it's a $30,000 drop-in advertised on here.
01-02-08 | 08:39 PM
#117
ya... I think not... and if you think buying and paying for insurance on a Ferrari is bad, try paying for maintenance... I work for a dealer and trust me, that aint a walk in the park either...
01-02-08 | 09:30 PM
#118
Sure it is. If the park is Central Park in NY and its full of the usual rapists and murders.
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