contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
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contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
In the Winter of 2003 I'm going to be contacting a few rotary building companies, including Racing Beat, Mazdatrix, and SDJ Motorsports (and probably others) and "contracting" them to build me the best combination of ultra-high power and reliability (for a few years hopefully), and of course a little bit of street drivability (has to have some power down low).. with no limit on the expense of the whole system.
Now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it to a 20B, because.. well... because..
I need your guyses help to tell me what sort of things I should be looking into. Mild street port, big street port, bridge port, peripheral port (yeah!!!), whatever. What type of apex seals (3-piece, 2-piece, 1-piece (do they make these?), carbon, steel, ceramic, etc.. any aftermarket forged internals that might exist, what turbo to slap onto it, what fuel system, what computer, I mean.. we're building a whole car here.
Now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it to a 20B, because.. well... because..
I need your guyses help to tell me what sort of things I should be looking into. Mild street port, big street port, bridge port, peripheral port (yeah!!!), whatever. What type of apex seals (3-piece, 2-piece, 1-piece (do they make these?), carbon, steel, ceramic, etc.. any aftermarket forged internals that might exist, what turbo to slap onto it, what fuel system, what computer, I mean.. we're building a whole car here.
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Re: contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
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... with no limit on the expense of the whole system.
Now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it to a 20B, because.. well... because..
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... with no limit on the expense of the whole system.
Now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to do it to a 20B, because.. well... because..
..
Wow.. with that spec you have "no limit on expense..", why not get a McLaren F1 and trash the V12 engine. Then stuff a custom build 6 rotor 6 turbo rotory engine. You might be able to register the car as custom specialty vehicle so that you can drive it on the street and blow everybody else on the road hehehe 
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Originally posted by ThirdGenRX7
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Originally posted by ThirdGenRX7
after your posts in the lounge i wouldn't be tossing around the word ignorant if i was you
after your posts in the lounge i wouldn't be tossing around the word ignorant if i was you
Honestly, nothing in this thread that you've written has been of ANY value yet, I'm still waiting, hoping for some hint of intelligence to come through, but I won't hold my breath.
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Originally posted by Barwick
care to elaborate on that, or do you just have nothing to do but slander people all day?
care to elaborate on that, or do you just have nothing to do but slander people all day?
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you need to decide what you are going to use the car for, how much hp you need, how long you need it to last, are you trying to make it pass smog? etc etc.
it sounds like you know some of these....
mike
it sounds like you know some of these....
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i hope your rich barwick. abel contracts rb to build all his motors, they charge 50 grand per motor. if you don't have a budget build a tri-turbo pp 20b. get all aluminum housings, but don't just get the crappy rb cast aluminum side housings. get all your housings custom machined from heat treated billet aluminum, just like top fuel dragsters. get all the internals coated w/ anti heat and friction coatings. get apex seals made of ultra compressed graphite, so they'll be practically as hard as diamond, and when they do fracture they'll crumble as you compromise the molecular bonds. run a motec m880 and a sequential 6 speed tranny.
09-09-02, 03:24 PM
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Doesn't the stock 20B E-shaft have flex problems with boost above 12PSI?
The "HITMAN"s site had some info on it...
http://www.hitman.hm/engine.htm
The "HITMAN"s site had some info on it...
http://www.hitman.hm/engine.htm
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Re: contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
Originally posted by Barwick
I need your guyses help to tell me what sort of things I should be looking into. Mild street port, big street port, bridge port, peripheral port (yeah!!!), whatever. What type of apex seals (3-piece, 2-piece, 1-piece (do they make these?), carbon, steel, ceramic, etc.. any aftermarket forged internals that might exist, what turbo to slap onto it, what fuel system, what computer, I mean.. we're building a whole car here.
I need your guyses help to tell me what sort of things I should be looking into. Mild street port, big street port, bridge port, peripheral port (yeah!!!), whatever. What type of apex seals (3-piece, 2-piece, 1-piece (do they make these?), carbon, steel, ceramic, etc.. any aftermarket forged internals that might exist, what turbo to slap onto it, what fuel system, what computer, I mean.. we're building a whole car here.
BTW, you should probably put some type of cost cap on the project, as an all-out 20B RX-7 is going to cost upwards of $250,000 if everything is contracted out. Sorry, but I don't even forsee the great Mr. Akimoto getting a car loan for that kind of cash.
Originally posted by es
Doesn't the stock 20B E-shaft have flex problems with boost above 12PSI?
Doesn't the stock 20B E-shaft have flex problems with boost above 12PSI?
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Re: Re: contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
Originally posted by Evil Aviator
No, Pettit, PFS, and others are running 20B-REW's at 15psig with no problem.
No, Pettit, PFS, and others are running 20B-REW's at 15psig with no problem.
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Re: Re: Re: contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me desi
Originally posted by fdracer
i heard abel was having e-shaft problems w/ his 3 rotor?
i heard abel was having e-shaft problems w/ his 3 rotor?
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Right now yeah money is an issue, BUT when I do this project, money will not be an issue, and this engine is going to be something people talk about.
Street car - like it to last at least like 20,000 miles.
Reproducable - While I'm having one rebuilt after it blew, I'd like to still drive my car (that means two engines)
Emissions? Are you kidding? If I have to, I'll buy a house in another state that DOESN'T have emissions, just so I can register it there. Like I said, money will not be an issue.
What kind of horsepower can be done with these in mind?
Street car - like it to last at least like 20,000 miles.
Reproducable - While I'm having one rebuilt after it blew, I'd like to still drive my car (that means two engines)
Emissions? Are you kidding? If I have to, I'll buy a house in another state that DOESN'T have emissions, just so I can register it there. Like I said, money will not be an issue.
What kind of horsepower can be done with these in mind?
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Maybe you are legit but you sound a bit like...oh what was that guys name....excelr8. His girlfriend had 500k in her purse at all times and was going to pay for everything yet he tried to get me to finance the sale of my 20b fd to him. Maybe he felt uncomfortable taking her money, I know I would (yeah right!).
If you are serious, do a search as the questions you ask have been answered numerous times. The hardest thing about doing one of these projects is the research. The actual work is simply mechanics. Getting everything work together, properly requires a lot of thought. If someone where to ask me what to do, I would point them in the right direction but building one of these cars is very personal.
If you are serious, do a search as the questions you ask have been answered numerous times. The hardest thing about doing one of these projects is the research. The actual work is simply mechanics. Getting everything work together, properly requires a lot of thought. If someone where to ask me what to do, I would point them in the right direction but building one of these cars is very personal.
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Re: Re: contracting (in 2004) the ultimate rotary going into an FC - help me design it
Originally posted by Evil Aviator
No, Pettit, PFS, and others are running 20B-REW's at 15psig with no problem.
No, Pettit, PFS, and others are running 20B-REW's at 15psig with no problem.
I didnt know mr. akimoto used to hang out here too.i remember when he used to hang out on the supra forums.if u read this mr. akimoto tell mrs. bambie to quit calling me,and tell ur midget no he cant work 4 me
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Originally posted by Barwick
Right now yeah money is an issue, BUT when I do this project, money will not be an issue, and this engine is going to be something people talk about.
Street car - like it to last at least like 20,000 miles.
Reproducable - While I'm having one rebuilt after it blew, I'd like to still drive my car (that means two engines)
Emissions? Are you kidding? If I have to, I'll buy a house in another state that DOESN'T have emissions, just so I can register it there. Like I said, money will not be an issue.
What kind of horsepower can be done with these in mind?
Right now yeah money is an issue, BUT when I do this project, money will not be an issue, and this engine is going to be something people talk about.
Street car - like it to last at least like 20,000 miles.
Reproducable - While I'm having one rebuilt after it blew, I'd like to still drive my car (that means two engines)
Emissions? Are you kidding? If I have to, I'll buy a house in another state that DOESN'T have emissions, just so I can register it there. Like I said, money will not be an issue.
What kind of horsepower can be done with these in mind?
mike
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700-800 yeah I could live with that. I'm kinda second guessing my choice between FC or FD though.. still not sure which. FC has a lot of extra room in front of the engine.
The story is, right now my business is only bringing in just short of a grand a month. Within the next 6 months I'll be bringing in a few grand, and 2 or 3 years down the road, 50 or 60 grand a month is what I'm looking at. That's why money won't be an issue. I know it sounds like a bunch of bull, but if you really need to, treat it like a "theoretical" buildup with unlimited money. Or imagine I make $60,000 a year and rotor housings cost $1.25
The story is, right now my business is only bringing in just short of a grand a month. Within the next 6 months I'll be bringing in a few grand, and 2 or 3 years down the road, 50 or 60 grand a month is what I'm looking at. That's why money won't be an issue. I know it sounds like a bunch of bull, but if you really need to, treat it like a "theoretical" buildup with unlimited money. Or imagine I make $60,000 a year and rotor housings cost $1.25
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i dont really care about your finances, unless you want to give me some, its not really any of my (our?) buisness unless you want to make it so.
you just need to know what you are using the car for...
mike
you just need to know what you are using the car for...
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barwick please oh please hook up me w/ that job. wtf are you gonna do to make so much $$$? anyway just use my setup run methanol and your good for 1800rwhp. tone it done and use gas on the street and you'll still have 1000whp cruising on the street.
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Originally posted by Barwick
Right now yeah money is an issue, BUT when I do this project, money will not be an issue, and this engine is going to be something people talk about.
Street car - like it to last at least like 20,000 miles.
Reproducable - While I'm having one rebuilt after it blew, I'd like to still drive my car (that means two engines)
Emissions? Are you kidding? If I have to, I'll buy a house in another state that DOESN'T have emissions, just so I can register it there. Like I said, money will not be an issue.
What kind of horsepower can be done with these in mind?
Right now yeah money is an issue, BUT when I do this project, money will not be an issue, and this engine is going to be something people talk about.
Street car - like it to last at least like 20,000 miles.
Reproducable - While I'm having one rebuilt after it blew, I'd like to still drive my car (that means two engines)
Emissions? Are you kidding? If I have to, I'll buy a house in another state that DOESN'T have emissions, just so I can register it there. Like I said, money will not be an issue.
What kind of horsepower can be done with these in mind?
20,000 miles = 80,000 drag races, which means that a high-boost drag race setup is totally out of the question.
So, we are left with a nice, bulletproof, road race setup. Rather than try and piece together some frankenstein motor based on dubious opinions on this forum, simply drop off the car at Downing Atlanta or Mandeville Auto Tech, and tell them what you want. A few months and about $250,000 later you will have a very nice FC.
BTW, good luck with your network marketing.
