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Old 12-09-03, 10:33 AM
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I have a video of it running outside the show. Only so much you can see from that without a test drive or dyno run but it was very impressive! Also it wast driven across country and back for the show! Is that reliable enough for you.
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Originally posted by Auto Illusions
I met marcos at the sema show in las vegas. He drove the RX-8 to and from the show from NJ. That seems like good reliabilaty. This is the car he claimed to me to have made 1025 RWHP on VP racing fuel. I hope this is not a fary tale number but i trust him as of now. He claims that after building and tuning my car, it will make 1000 HP and possibly at the wheels! I am using his turbo setup except changing the exhaust from a Q trim to an R trim with a slightly smaller diameter. This suggested by both him and innovative turbo!

Did he happen to mention what tranny he is using. I know that company he was using to upgrade the Rx8 tranny was having problems. Also, I don't think the Fd tranny could withstand that much power(even on a dyno).
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All i know is he is using stock trans with an upgraded gear set. (straight cut gears) around $5-6K
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Originally posted by Auto Illusions
I have a video of it running outside the show. Only so much you can see from that without a test drive or dyno run but it was very impressive! Also it wast driven across country and back for the show! Is that reliable enough for you.
thats cool, mines been up and back to la twice (its a 1000mile round trip), but cross country is more hard core!
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auto illusion / good choice, thats who i was talkin about, hes going to be doing my engine also. they got some bad *** sevens ,you might hit 1300hp they know what there doing good company though they dont get that much credit for what they deserve .
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so how can marcos make 1200whp ??
is this real ??,does anyone have dyno sheets???.
if so is the crank also an issue??
...so many questions
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1000 whp to my knowledge and i dont have proof. This is on Marcos word! You should talk with him if you have any questions!
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Originally posted by Auto Illusions
I met marcos at the sema show in las vegas. He drove the RX-8 to and from the show from NJ. That seems like good reliabilaty. This is the car he claimed to me to have made 1025 RWHP on VP racing fuel. I hope this is not a fary tale number but i trust him as of now. He claims that after building and tuning my car, it will make 1000 HP and possibly at the wheels! I am using his turbo setup except changing the exhaust from a Q trim to an R trim with a slightly smaller diameter. This suggested by both him and innovative turbo!
OK, that's great, but that is HIS car, is it not? How about one of his customer's 20B cars that has been paid for and delivered? I would like to compare it to one of the PFS and Pettit 20B cars.
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The car is his, but it was built to sell. Not for personal use. It would be interesting to talk with someone that had 20B work done through him and paid for it!

I got my intake back and it wasn't done as promised. I sent it back to have it cleaned up and polished, i will let you know how it comes out!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2452632260

how did he drive it 1500miles total from las vegas to jersey and back?
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Originally posted by Auto Illusions
I met marcos at the sema show in las vegas. He drove the RX-8 to and from the show from NJ. That seems like good reliabilaty. This is the car he claimed to me to have made 1025 RWHP on VP racing fuel. I hope this is not a fary tale number but i trust him as of now. He claims that after building and tuning my car, it will make 1000 HP and possibly at the wheels! I am using his turbo setup except changing the exhaust from a Q trim to an R trim with a slightly smaller diameter. This suggested by both him and innovative turbo!

So who is lying here? Marcos is now claiming the car as 1500 miles on it in his EBAY ad here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2452632260
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I am a loss for words. I believe the modified magazine shoot was in vegas! That is what he told me. 800 HP seems close as he stated that the car makes 1025 at the wheels but 1500 miles? The car is clean though and well built.
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The car is nice, but if there is a milage dicrepency documented by observations on a public forum, what else is not as stated?
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it could have been trailered to vegas....
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yes, but y say it was driven?
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Originally posted by Auto Illusions
The car is his, but it was built to sell. Not for personal use. It would be interesting to talk with someone that had 20B work done through him and paid for it!
I am beginning to think that this is his first completed 20B project.

He built it to sell without a buyer already lined up? Oh boy, this should be interesting.

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yes, but y say it was driven?
It may just be his poor English.

Originally posted by Auto Illusions
800 HP seems close as he stated that the car makes 1025 at the wheels
How does 800hp at the flywheel convert to 1025hp at the wheels? :confused
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
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How does 800hp at the flywheel convert to 1025hp at the wheels? :confused
my calculator can do that , but i'm like angry at numbers
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How did the guy with the red FD get on in the end with Marcos after the other half of MVA legged it? A lot of scary stuff has been posted on this forum about Marcos' previuos business dealings; whether it was his partner or not, I'd have serious misgivings about giving him $30K... From what I recall he talked a lot of ***** about the 20B FD swap, making out how trick his install was when in actual fact it was a simple back plate swap in essence...
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i don`t know man that guy seems kinda shady to me
and i agree with evil...how does 800 crack hp convert to 1025 whp ...wow..talk about power multiplying gearbox
but seriously are these figures possible???.
i know it has a lot to do with tunning ,but remember a couple of years ago ,everyone was afraid of boosting more than 13psi on a 2-rotor ,look where they are now
i mean i ran 20 psi on pump gas here with a 5 deg split on trailing ,and they told me it couldn`t be done (back in the 2-rotor days) and yes i know that 3-rotor is a whole different ball game ,but like stated previously on this thread there aren`t a lot of high boosting 3-rotors around right ??
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Originally posted by Flint
How did the guy with the red FD get on in the end with Marcos after the other half of MVA legged it? A lot of scary stuff has been posted on this forum about Marcos' previuos business dealings; whether it was his partner or not, I'd have serious misgivings about giving him $30K... From what I recall he talked a lot of ***** about the 20B FD swap, making out how trick his install was when in actual fact it was a simple back plate swap in essence...
I am still here.

Well, ultimately I lost that money. I had to start over again.

With regards to the RX8; it was put on a trailor to SevenStock. It wasn't 100% complete at the time, and that is why it really didn't run.

The dyno runs on the RX8 were the following:

14 PSI = 630.9
24 PSI = ~850 rwhp
32 PSI = Over 1k.

That was done on a T80 turbo.
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Im suprised to to see that anyone is bringing up the name Acosta to have work done to their car. Hell i don't know the whole story (don't want to know either) but based on what has gone on in the forums plus what is posted in the magazine, there is just way too many discrepencys. I noticed Evil asking a question but yet no one has chimed in with an answer...hmm why is that?
I know the only way i would get a car from him, is he would have to pay me to take it.
Just my .02
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Plus in the dragracing world none of his creations ever back up his horsepower claims. At least if I were making a claim about power I would show the dyno sheet plus I know it would help in the decision to buy the car if the dyno sheet was part of the advertisment.
He's making all kinds of 9 sec claims on the rx-8 forum about his rx-8.
just my 3c also!
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ta dah daa.....as the plot thickens!!!
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
Stock 20B-REW: About 255hp
Stock 20B-REW @ 10psi boost, emissions-legal, with lots of expensive parts and a top-notch tuner: About 390hp
Stock 20B-REW @ 12psi boost with lots of expensive parts and a top-notch tuner: About 430hp
Street-Ported 20B-REW @ 15psi boost with lots of expensive parts and a top-notch tuner: About 550hp

* Lots of expensive parts and a top-notch tuner = over $30,000 USD parts and labor.
What? I'm lost here, 255 was for the 13B-REW, the 20B-REW was advertised at 280. I'm sure it was more because of the gentlemen's agreement.
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What? I'm lost here, 255 was for the 13B-REW, the 20B-REW was advertised at 280. I'm sure it was more because of the gentlemen's agreement.
So you are saying that the 280hp rating isn't accurate because of the "gentlemen's agreement"? Very well, then lets look at some actual dyno results:

Originally posted by DMRH
Attached is a pic of a standard 20B powered Cosmo doing a dyno run.

Putting 222bhp down makes it good for the 300hp mark at the engine.

This particular Cosmo has 70,000km on the clock & runs a "C-series" engine.

No modifications were on the car at the time of the dyno run.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...postid=1819419


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