RidicilousRx7

hey guys, im rly interested in this swap... i dont wanna do anything to the engine yet just put it in stock... does anyone have a rough idea of how much it will cost to get it put in and running... and what shops are good for doing this swap... thanks for your help.

Turbonut

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I'd check over on the 20B forum. Lot's $$$$$.

Parastie

Check out the engine swap part of the forum. There a specific section for 20B swaps.

Normally, it's going to cost between 10K and 20K and you're better off doing it yourself.

casio

http://fc3spro.com/TECH/SWAP/COSMO/20b.html

Froggmann

One other thing to add Atkins has a cosmo Front clip on his web site for sale now.

eViLRotor

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LOL! This is kind of funny.

Why don't you ask your buddies at Can-Saf?!?!?!?

gerbraldy

People say 10k when its a little bit over half that. full cosmo 20b front clip is $3300, to get it in the car and running you do have to get rid of the stock turbos, but for $1000 you can have an "alright" T4 setup. This is assuming that you already have a TII cause you need the tranny and the rear end for all the power you'd have. That also make an FC bolt in kit for the 20b's along with the 13bre, banzai racing makes them. Just because somebody says it's gonna cost 10-20k doesn't mean its going to, probably 10-20k if you wanna make a reliable 500hp

FCNAred

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you don't have to get rid of the stock turbos to run it, I'd like to see a T4 setup with a custom 3rotor manifold, turbo, and wastegate for 1k. You've also got to manage it with something and upgrade the fuel system etc etc. Please don't spread misinformation, this the reason there are 3 new posts per week asking how much it costs to put a 20b in something. If you have to ask, you're not skilled enough to do it yourself.

fi addict

the statement of 10-20k to do it is mostly a matter of how much of this can you do yourself.
you might want to go dual rather then sequencial (manifold needed)
we all might recommend an EMS (microtech,haltech,motec....list goes on)
we all know the price of the engine varies (we all know this)
add on the cost of piping
BOV
downpipe
oil and fuel lines
coolant lines
dont forget fittings and clamps
clutch and flywheel
list goes on (turbo if you go single)
mounts, possible subframe
FMIC, upgraded Rad (possible need for it)
injectors, plugs, wires... then the 3k worth of stuff im forgetting


I spent about 8-9k w/o the subframe complete so far... it doesnt mater what car it goes in.. they all need the same base materials.
i need the subframe completed,piping, rad,Intercooler....still situating the engine...UGH!!!

Evil Aviator

In the US, it costs about $35,000 USD to have a professional shop perform the work. I would suggest contacting Can-Saf, which is going to be much closer to your location, and probably much less expensive.
http://www.can-saf.com/

People say 10K because it is 10K.

This is true. Nearly everybody goes well over the $10K required for a ghetto setup in the US. Most 20B swaps are in the $30,000 to $50,000 USD range. Other countries have lower costs due to cheap labor and less legal red tape.

Not true. Several 20B RX-7's use the stock turbos.

Given the success rate of professional conversions vs. do-it-yourself conversions, you are most likely doomed if you try this yourself. Sorry guys, I'm just going by the stats here.

RETed

I'd like to see if you can do this.
If you do, I'd BUY the car from you for this price.

I'm getting a bit tired of all the low-balling figures people throw around when they have no idea what it really takes to build the car.

1) Even if you get the "front clip" for $3k...does that mean you're going to run the stock ECU?
Do you realize that you are "required" to run the stock auto trans off the Cosmo to keep the stock ECU happy?
Oh, then you need to send the stock ECU to Corksport to get rid of this "feature".
Add several hunderd more dollars to your budget.

2) Are you going to use the stock IC?
The FC needs a front mount IC.
Now I realize that it might be possible to use the stock Cosmo IC, but it's not the best option (for fitment).
Add several hundred dollars for custom front IC.

3) You think the stock FC rad is going to control the heat?
The 20B runs mucho HOT.
This required an upgrade radiator, and it has to be custom mounted to clear the additional length of the 20B.
Add several hundred dollars more for an upgrade, custom-fitting rad.

4) So what you gonna do about the front sway bar?
You think you can adapt the stock FC front sway bar to fit?
I'd like to see that!
We had to develop a custom front sway bar for this purpose!
I don't see how you can "shim" the stock front bar mounts to make the stock unit fit - unless you want the bar to end up 1" off the ground.
Add several hunderd dollars more for a custom front sway bar or heavy custom work to get the stock front bar to fit.

4) With the Cosmo auto trans, none of the stock FC driveshafts fit.
Add a couple hundred dollars more for a custom driveshaft.

5) Think your stock fuel system can handle the 20B?
You'll need at least a Walbro 255lph upgrade fuel pump.
More money for upgrade fuel pump.

6) I hope you don't expect the downpipe to line up.
Add more money for a custom downpipe.


That right there is already $2000+ in add-on's.
So now you've got a 20B with an auto trans with stock twins and stock wheels on your FC.
I didn't even figure in ANY money for labors costs; even if you do all the work yourself, you still need to invest in tooling, welders, etc. + consumables.
If you PAID someone else to do this, I see at least $5,000 minimum in labor charges in this mess.

Sure, now you have a 20B FC that puts about 250hp at the wheels through an auto trans.
Now, you might be happy with this, but somehow I feel most people won't.
We've already made 232 at the wheels with a done stock 20B with NO TURBOS.
Going through a 5-speed manual trans, we'd probably beat that budget 20B FC project mentioned above...

Again, if you can do this swap with $5,000, I'd buy the car from you!


-Ted

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ya jorje why would you not just ask us..hahah..seeing as we have a very clean one installed and driving..and soo to be 20b gt car..and repu? i think we know a thing or to..it's not the engine that you have to worry about..it's labour! and the little things that poeple seem to foget about..like ic piping, exhaust, re-mounting the steering rack, managment, fuel, injectors, etc..

kinda dispoints me that you would ask what shops are good for this...when you hear soo many poeple about how clean our conversion looks..and how well it performs..

silverrotor

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Um, right.

Jorje, are you not buddies with cansaf? Perhaps they can rebuild you a 20B as good as my 989km lived engine they built for me awhile back.