onefast93RX7

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I'd recommend a 42r...for a street car

SPEED_NYC

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im not gonna delete posts just yet, but lets keep this on topic, with out bashing ppl/shops.

calculon

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Just wanted to post again since it got lost up above the trash. . .Am I the only one that sees a benefit in this information?

paximus

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I would also like to have an idea on price for the services Calc mentioned above.
Although my car is already on the road, and all it really needs is more tuning (and wider tires), I have been thinking of selling it and doing another one. The information above would be a great help as I plan to do it a little differently next time around.

7_rocket

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Riz, is like a woman, we won't ever make up his mind.

BASTARD

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here are some racing beat prices...these are for 2 rotor motors... but im sure the 3 rotor isnt that much more

http://racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?PartNumber=10040

http://racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?PartNumber=11042

http://racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?PartNumber=11044

http://racingbeat.com/resultset.asp?PartNumber=10004

charlies7

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That seems kinda steep for balancing..Ive been quoted 500 bucks for dynamic balancing from a known shop.

BASTARD

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^^^


thats got to include new rotors

Banzai-Racing

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This is insanely high for porting. We charge $750 for an aggressive streetport on a 20B and that includes installation of FD/TII exhaust sleeves in all three rotor housings.

David Hayes

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Subtract the rotors and it's more like $750-$1,000 which is about what I paid Carlos Lopez for mnine.

Banzai-Racing

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We gladly discuss pricing with people that are serious enough to contact us, basic rebuild and porting pricing is readily available on our website and always has been. A very small amount of research yields many answers http://www.banzai-racing.com/engine_rebuild_main.htm

More than half the things listed would only be needed on a purpose build $15K shortblock, for the most part you can take standard pricing and multiply by 1.5. There are no "magical" skills required to machining three rotors out to 3mm instead of two, same goes for dowel pinning, studding etc. However, we do not even recommend dowel pinning, we would rather stud the engine. We also stay away from 3mm seals for all the same reasons as with a two rotor engine. If a customer insists on having these mods we will quote them.

hwnd

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I've kept my mouth shut here too (as I typically do), I've got a bill for a complete rebuild (gaskets,etc included in the total) with a single-lined receipt saying "Engine Rebuild.. $xxxx".

On a side note, going back over the receipts, wondering what I did & paid for, seeing "Engine Rebuild" on a receipt doesn't tell me all that much of what I was doing 4 years ago

GtoRx7

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Defined Autoworks Pricing 20b related.


Rebuild-

Standard 20b rebuild- $2938.00
Oil passages mod $120.00
Coolant jacket mod $150.00

Porting-

street porting intake and exhaust $700.00
Semi p-port machining $1,300.00
Full p-port machining $1,500.00

Machining-

dowel pinning - service not provided
Studding $TBA
3mm milling $650.00
Balancing $ 900.00
clearancing $300.00
lightweight mod to rotors $900.00
Center iron oil feed mod $100.00

Dry sump/ prep-

20b Dry sump front cover $3200.00
Dry sump parts-- Suction tubes (modded for 20b), screens, two o-rings, drive gear, dry sump regulator, metric to an adapters on inlets and outlets. $780.00
Dry sump 20b flat aluminum pan/plate $280.00
block modifications for dry sump install $ 280.00
Converted oil pedestal for rear AN oil feed w/o filter mount $120.00
Race rotor bearings $300.00

In house parts-

20b conversion kit for FD $ 1670.00
Custom 321 stainless (not 304) header with race collector $ 1650.00 (pricing may vary)
Custom throttle body intake manifold for side-port $ 1990.00 (pricing may vary)

Jason

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If people are interested they can call or email for pricing. I get at least a call and couple emails a day about 20B swaps. I prefer to findout what their goal and budget are before quoting a price. Quoting the price of the engine build is a fraction of the price when doing the swap, espcically with all the other parts needed to complete.
I can usually just say $7-8k for just the long block and rebuild and it scares off 99% of the people.

Banzai-Racing

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^
We get the same thing, must be the same people doing the rounds.

We have actually had people call asking how much to convert their car to a 3 rotor thinking it was just a simple addition of another rotor to their existing engine.

David Hayes

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Wouldn't it help then to post up your prices so you can avoid all of the "non-serious" calls? I applaud Defined Autoworks for their transparency in posting their information. Prices look reasonable and in line and this type of information would have been invaluable to me when I started my 3 rotor project. It helps me now assess vendors and where I might take my car to next when I need additional work done.

So how about it Banzai Racing and RX7 Store, why not post up what Defined already has?

David Hayes

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^+1 "What he said"

zayrx7

according to the owner, he claims he paid $41,000 for that install.

zayrx7

I think I am on topic here, and yes I'm talking about the so call just finished 20b installed. If the owner of the car is going around telling people that he paid a company $41,00 for a 20b install and a certain company post another price, that's not even close to the price. Yes! I do find a problem with that, just trying find out which one is true.

charlies7

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This thread is starting to fill up with irrelevance again. Now its he said, she said without any facts.

However I would like to see some shops post up mre info on their pricing. I find this very informative.

Jason

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Let me clarify what Zayrx7 is saying. He heard that a local owner paid $41k for the complete 20B swap with all parts and labor. I have told Zayrx7 to stay out of these threads and its really none of our business what somebody pays for the swap, as that is between the owner and the shop.

David Hayes

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I still fail to see why other vendors outside of Defined Autoworks won't post prices for the simple, common items asked. Yes, we all know the sum of these costs won't be what one would pay for the entire job (much more goes into the 20B conversion than the items listed) but come on, why not post? Are your prices that out of line you are afraid it will drive customers away?

Take it from me, the guy that has probably paid the most for his 20B conversion due to many reasons including poor quality rework and unknown costs, it can only help you attract business by posting.

I don't know the Defined guys but I now have much more respect for them because of their willingness to tell us what they charge. I'm sure they'd never want to have to finish up my job (it's going to get done - really) but if I needed another shop to complete the work I would now put them on the list.

Jason

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Our rebuild is $2200 without porting and $2900 with street porting. Our pricing on all of the other items DA listed is around the same price.

hwnd

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Right on.. I've always agreed with Ted on this subject.

David Hayes

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I think it would help you Jason to post your actual prices for these items. I also encourage all other vendors to join in and post up. Having more information helps to make a much more educated customer.

When you guys don't post your prices, it makes me feel as though you have something to hide. What risk do you have in posting this information unless your prices are considerably higher?