I took a cruise around Columbus tonite and on the highway the engine popped. Feels like blown apex seal. No power at all, no vacuum to the power brakes if you let it idle (it still idles though, thank god), runs like total crap.

:cry:

 

And just when I thought Xmas could not get any worse...........

time for the ultra big Bridge port beefmaster 2000 motor

 

Couldn't get any worse? Otherwise we had a fine holiday, talked to pratically anybody with any sort of relation to the family, a fine big chicken dinner (and my mom made grandma's secret stuffing... ) We gave each other the same gifts, I gave my parents DVDs and they gave me DVDs, and we both said "oh, I thought you already had a DVD player".... then we opened up the DVD players we got each other and I also gave them a nice new computer... their old one was really slow and it had a habit of shutting off at random, so I just *had* to get them that nice Celeron 633 w/128megs of memory, 20gig hard drive, and all the accessories... you should have seen the look on their faces when they opened that up!

As for the plans for WT... remember that parts GSL-SE you got? I want to do the same thing... the engine will be torn down and of course all the gory pics will go on my website. Ironically I'd finally tracked down and fixed the horrendous highway vibration yesterday, and took pics of the left side trailing link mounts where both of them are severly rusted and starting to crumble.

Oh well, it's too bad, I wanted to give y'all central Ohio folks a ride in it before it was broken up for parts. Next one will be more evil! My crystal ball sees an '85 GSL in the future

 

You bought your parents a Celeron? You must not like them very much. j/k.. hope all goes well with the car.

 

Hey it's a far sight better than a 6x86 200 with 16 megs of memory, cramped hard drive, dead modem, lots of software compatibility problems (some of their software requires an Intel processor, and a fast PIII would have totally broke the budget, otherwise they'd have a K7 with lots more clock speed... I'm a big fan of AMD) and generally old and tired!

It's a funny thing... I got in to the car and it felt funny. Shifter very stiff, steering felt like trying to stir a vat of mapel syrup with a canoe paddle. Started it up... usual brap brap brap brap brap. I couldn't even drive at 3k in 4th gear smoothly, bucking and kicking brap brap brap waaaaaAAAAAbrapbrapbrap *heavy Beavis-ing* and it was SO COOL. And eventually it warmed up and it drove great, but felt kinda... soft. Taking an on-ramp it hesitated when the secondaries opened, but I figured I'd have to put the spring back in because I've never driven the car with this setup in cold dry air, probably finally needs the secondaries to open up more slowly than "immediately". Drove great otherwise, held 75 with no problem, halfway between closed throttle and secondaries starting to open... and then it all happened. Needed about 2/3rds throttle in 4th just to maintain 55 or so MPH, and all the while it was running the exhaust was loud and it was popping and spitting a lot. My first thoughts were fouled plugs or iced carb... with headers it has no carb heat so that was a possibility, but then I realized that the exhaust wouldn't be popping if it had no fuel. Sure it could have been fouled plugs, but that usually happens on both rotors and it only happens when the engine is cold. It runs even worse when I shut the MSD off so I know the MSD is still working.

The kicker was when I finally made it home and shut it off, and tried restarting it. That things cranks over WAY too fast for a good engine.

Stick a fork in it it's done, that blowed up real good.

 

Sorry to hear that.

Gonna rebuild the engine or scrap the car?

 

If you need a motor to get you by while you rebuild the other, we got a running motor cheap for yah, to get yah rolling again.

 

Don't be no Danged fool, Peejay....
You know what you need to do....
And I have what you want....

Denny

 

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............Boost.........

turn to the dark side, 12A Turbo...... mmmmm...... zoom zoom......

 

where did that 12a tubo come from. and how much is it fo that setup i want to super charger but right now i am about 800 away from a camden supercharger. So maybe a turbo is they way to go if i do not have to do efi.

Sorry to hear the news of white trash but that is the way the rotor turns.

 

Hey Max7, how exactly does that setup work? and where can i find some information on it? I would like to do something like that with my engine, but i have the n/a 13B in my 83. Would it be feasible, or should i just find a 13B turbo from a 2nd gen seeing as how i'm already setup for the 13B motor....just some questions, Rotor13B

 

Denny, you didn't get my PM? Hmm... it's not in my sent folder either. I'll call yah after work tomorrow. Busy Saturday?

Max7... I have three ideas rolling around in my head...
Huge Street Port with a Weber 48IDF carb
Half bridge with an Edelbrock 600cfm carb (or maybe a reworked Autolite 4300 or Q-jet)
Small Street Port with a blow-thru Holley 390cfm and a T3 turbo

I think I know what killed the engine, though I won't know until the engine comes out and gets torn down (pele: yes to both! the engine will get rebuilt and the car will be scrapped. It's what I was planning on doing anyway) but I recall hearing/reading that the stock iron seals start to chatter at 6200... well when I drive it hard I shift at 8k and the revs are almost always over 6200... and Christmas Eve I was giving a co worker a demo ride and I spent a LOT of time at or near the 8400rpm limiter ("Check it out, it's not even pointing at a number anymore!" ) and about 1/2mi before it blew I blasted an on-ramp... come to think of it the secondary bog happened at 6200rpm (rolling on the throttle).

If the seals died due to chattering, when it gets rebuilt it'll have carbon-aluminum seals, meaning no boost. If they died for other reasons, then I'll consider going with some turbo action... already have the flanges I need to mate a 12A and a T3 One thing is for sure though, there's not much left of the engine... it has zero compression on one rotor and when it runs it pukes blue smoke from the exhaust, so not only did it munch a rotor housing but likely a rotor and a side housing too.

Hmm. I still have that '80 engine, while the rotors are heavier, heavier is also stronger. Dowel pinned half bridge 12A blowing through a carb and running 15-20psi with max revs of 8k? Sure let's do it!

 

Why scrappin the car? Something wrong with the chasis?

 

You mean besides both left side rear links trying to remove themselves from the body, the total inability to use the car's jack, the rust holes in the floor, rockers, front fenders, rear quarters, roof, and hood, the worn-out frontend, the driveshaft with the U-joint cups brazed in 'cos they're "loose fit", the exhaust system that is perpetually falling apart (and running on one rotor has really done a number on the internals of the stainless steel muffler!), the interior that is mostly cracked, faded, and falling apart, the driver's seat where you feel the frame when you sit in it, the bald tires, etc etc? No, it's fine!

Basically I'm taking the drivetrain, the radiator/oil cooler combo, my MSD setup, the steering gearbox (it's in GREAT shape!) and various minor stuff out of the car. I'm also thinking of putting my bum centersection back in, no sense it sending a perfectly good centersection to the junkyard after I just put it in!

 

Sounds like a good game plan, always to many choices

As for the 12A turbo pic above its a late night fun pic.
we pulled Pauls running 12A with 211k on it to put in a 13B
the other night, and it was sitting there, and we had put a
Conquest motor in the other night. and there was a turbo
sitting there, and well, hmm.... there yah have it, just hung
the turbo off an exhaust stud, got the right angle for the pic
and, instant 12A turbo

 

Well, I came up with a plan:

Leave it stock except for doing the MSD upgrade and MAYBE re-jetting the carb (also maybe put my modified boosters in said carb) and putting on my modified '84-85 intake manifold. Sometime in the future, upgrade to the air/oil cooler out of my '80.

I'll sort out the engine business later... right now I need a car that runs and drives and isn't coming apart. Later I'll get a place where I can have two cars, and get another car, and at least one of them will be modified to a stupid level I still have that FC up North.... and a peripheral port N/A would be very pretty under its hood, and there's lots of room underneath for a semi-quiet exhaust system, and the 2mm seal engines can withstand lots of RPM. Basically duplicating a setup pp13bnos runs/used to run.