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Old 12-06-08 | 11:22 AM
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unknown part fell off my engine this morning:(

ok I don't know much about my 7 yet, I'm still new to the car so I'm wondering what this part is.

I was driving and then I heard a huge clunk, it turns out that some metal pipe that runs underneath the carb and connects to the cad converter fell off. I'm wondering if this pipe is necessary and do I need to fix it right away? I'm wondering if it's just there to heat up the carb and there for no other purpose.

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Old 12-06-08 | 12:05 PM
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If it wasn't necessary, it wouldn't have been there.

Year and build of car?
Old 12-06-08 | 02:20 PM
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The pipe feeds fresh air from the air pump into the cat. If it's not there, you will never pass emissions, but more importantly, your cat will clog up inside. It really sucks when that happens.
Old 12-06-08 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DivinDriver
If it wasn't necessary, it wouldn't have been there.
Sub-zero fluid container.
Old 12-06-08 | 05:01 PM
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Sub-zero fluid container.
haha i was thinking the same thing about that post
Old 12-06-08 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PercentSevenC
Sub-zero fluid container.
Mine never had one... so it's obviously not important.
Old 12-07-08 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by PercentSevenC
Sub-zero fluid container.
Don't forget the Hot Start Assist. I've never needed that, and it was one of the first things I removed.

And if you don't need emissions:

- Catalytic Converters
- Air pump
- ACV (air control valve)
- Anti-afterburn valve
- Shutter valve
- Choke assembly (the choke magnet is fine on its own for fast-idle)
- Rat's Nest
- Without A/C the throttle opener is optional (though most cars had one anyway for some reason)...

So depending on your needs there's lots of stuff that doesn't "have" to be there! I'm sure I could think of even more but it's late.

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Old 12-07-08 | 12:54 AM
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True, but at least all those things actually do something (even if not anything particularly useful). The sub-zero fluid container is completely worthless for any purpose I can think of. Even Mazda recognized its pointlessness. A bit like an RX-7's appendix, really.
Old 12-07-08 | 07:44 AM
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ever figure out what exactly fell off?
Old 12-07-08 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PercentSevenC
True, but at least all those things actually do something (even if not anything particularly useful). The sub-zero fluid container is completely worthless for any purpose I can think of. Even Mazda recognized its pointlessness. A bit like an RX-7's appendix, really.
I don't think the hot-start assist served any more purpose than the sub-zero fluid container. No matter how hot the engine or the surrounding air gets I've never had trouble starting it.

When it's -40 out, you'd probably be thankful for the sub-zero system, but since most people don't winter drive their FBs it's not an issue for 90% of us.

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But Jon, does it get to +125f in Soviet Canuckistan?

Does, down here. Anywhere from Palm Springs east for hundreds of miles, summer temps can get even above that.

Granted, you can do the same thing the hot-start does by pushing the throttle slightly.
Old 12-07-08 | 11:01 PM
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Lol, after a quick trip to Google to do some converting between the odd Fahrenheit system and the Celsius system that I'm used to I can say:

It gets to about "104F" here at the peak of summer. It may not be "125F" but it's plenty warm, and certainly should be warm enough that if the hot start served a purpose, I would have needed one.

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Old 12-08-08 | 09:33 AM
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The difference between 105F and 125F has to be experienced to be appreciated, believe me.

All depends on your definition of "necessary," I guess.

If you're trying to sell cars to people who don't give two rips how the things work (which is most people, sadly), I guess a gizmo that prevents you from having to know to crack the throttle to restart on hot days is "necessary."

We could make a very long list of things that are not strictly essential to operation, but were nonetheless considered "necessary" enough to be included on the car.

The part mentioned by the OP sounds pretty necessary, though.
Old 12-08-08 | 10:27 AM
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I took it to a shop and they welded the part back on along with a few other loose parts. Apparently the part had fallen off before (previous owner) and it was taped back on. Turns out it's purpose was some kind of exhaust recirculater.

ok so here is something else. I got the clutch replaced about a month ago and now the car makes a watery, rattle type sound when I step on the gas. the sound showed up right after I got the clutch put in, what is the sound? It's driving me nuts
Old 12-08-08 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DivinDriver
The difference between 105F and 125F has to be experienced to be appreciated, believe me.

All depends on your definition of "necessary," I guess.

If you're trying to sell cars to people who don't give two rips how the things work (which is most people, sadly), I guess a gizmo that prevents you from having to know to crack the throttle to restart on hot days is "necessary."

We could make a very long list of things that are not strictly essential to operation, but were nonetheless considered "necessary" enough to be included on the car.

The part mentioned by the OP sounds pretty necessary, though.
When I went out to Phoenix to buy my RX-7 in August, we pulled into a Walmart parking lot at 3am to get some sleep in the truck. It was 98degrees at 3am!!!

The next day we left Phoenix to go to California to take care of some other business, when we crossed the border between Arizona and California the temperature was 126!!! At that temperature the asphalt is like 180+....MAN that is some real heat!!!
Old 12-08-08 | 01:05 PM
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There's very little that's genuinely necessary. Where's the pic of the engine bay of Racing Beat's first-gen Bonneville car?
Old 12-08-08 | 02:02 PM
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For sure. I mean, like, doors!?! Pfft, pure luxury!
Old 12-08-08 | 02:17 PM
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LOL , this is the thread jack of the month

sorry dude , don't know what your rattle is , but glad you got some help on the other stuff.

P.S. , ...... the radio is a useless feature , the sound of the car is more entertaining than anything on the radio these days
Old 12-09-08 | 09:22 PM
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Continuing the hijack - my girlfriend always wants me to turn the radio on when I'm driving (she knows not to turn it on herself), and I tell her we already have music - its coming from the engine bay!

She doesn't agree.
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