Rotorhead34

Bullshit

Rotorhead34

Thank You

Rotorhead34

He is absolutely correct!!

I have changed the rear tailshaft and housing from a TII to a GSL-SE by swaping the two. I have showed this to others and they have had no problem with it.

82transam

iTrader: (18)

Excuse me? Whats with the attitude, not to mention posting like 5 times in a row. Yes I realize the SE center iron has fuel injectors in it, I've been around 7's plenty long enough to know such things. The way you said it made it sound as if you could just swap any old first gen center iron and be fine. Its not even nessesary to swap center irons, I'm not sure why you would even say that in the first place... Btw, nice looking engine bay, what size turbo is that?

Rotorhead34

As I explained earlier, the center housing on a TII has 3 motor mount holes bore into it, which can eventually lead to an oil leak. The first is front mounted. You have to change the front cover, by doing this the oil pan needs to changed to the 1st pan, the TII pan has these 3 holes in it as well. Changing the center housing to match a first gen is the only way to do this job and pulling everything together to fit properly. This question was originally posted reguarding GSL-SE. IMO, this should have shed a lot of light on my first reply which everyone seemed to be blasting me for. A first gen and a GSL-SE are truely two very different cars with similar bodies.

The turbo is a T04E, great size, not too much lag and good pull when passing on the interstate. A little choppy around town, it wants to go. Thanks, I've done all my work myself, including all the fabrication. That pic is a couple of years old and the bay looks even cleaner now.

85rotarypower

If this is true then why have I not heard of it before? In fact I think I asked about doing this once and it was thrown away as not possible.

Also, you do not need to switch out the center iron. I have a GSL-SE oil pan and 12A front cover on the 88 NA engine in my 82, and it was not a problem to bolt up. Just drill out the two holes in the oil pan then use plenty of RTV on that section. No more chance of a leak than anything else IMO.

82transam

iTrader: (18)

I'll agree to you saying a SE is quite different from other first gens. I haven't heard anything about the motor mount holes leaking on a T2 center iron though, although it does seem to be logically possible. I'm in the middle of a t2 swap right now, and I am going off what I have done, that is using a SE front cover and oil pan to mount the engine. I didn't change anything else and it has come together fine. I guess other than the potential for oil leaks from the mount bolt holes I still don't see why you would need to change the center housing though...

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

To you it might seem like it is straight forward and you may know how to do wiring. And I did not tell you how much time it takes to do one. So get off your soap box there. To make it sound like it is an easy job to a new member or even a existing member is not accurate picture.

Like I stated before it takes alot of research, planning and not to mention the mechanical apptitude to tackle the job..

Just because I can tear a motor down in 15 minutes does not mean it is that easy for everyone. That's why alot of turbo projects are abandoned and alot of members have paid someone else to do the work. Not everyone is capable of just diving into certain repairs or mods and making them happen. Someone pursuing a Turbo swap needs to be fully informed on what all is involved and the pitfalls they may encounter before they start the project.

82transam

iTrader: (18)

I too was under the impression that nothing was interchangable between transmissions without modification. I also don't see why you need to change anything (with exception of the shiter tower that is) To mount mine I used the upper t2 mount and drilled a hole in the FB crossmember, it bolted right in. What is this about drilling holes in the oil pan? All the holes on mine lined up fine. Although mine is a 90 t2, seems odd that there would be a difference though...

trochoid

iTrader: (6)

You do not swap out the 86+ center iron for and SE one, period. If you try that, you end up with 2 grooves, one in the iron and one in the housing. You cannot seal an engine with 2 o-rings. Apparently you did not build your own engine.

Swapping an SE oil pan on any 2nd gen engine works fine when swapping the later engines into a 1st gen body.

Your turn to be excused, lol.

REVHED

STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR *** AND CONFUSING NEWER MEMBERS WHO ARE PROBABLY CONFUSED ENOUGH ALREADY.

You cannot use ANY 1st gen housing in conjunction with 2nd gen housings. The coolant o-rings are in a different location. End of story.

As for the pics you posted, that is a 2nd gen n/a engine (with a turbo) NOT a TII! That leads me to believe you are also running a 2nd gen n/a transmission which WILL bolt in simply by changing the tail housing and tail shaft. This is VASTLY different to installing a real TII transmission.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

rotarygod

iTrader: (1)

^ He's got it abolsutely correct!

Rotorhead34

In the first place, you only see the top of the engine, which is a 2nd gen top. I use that because I still run the A/C and all the assy. Also, I havn't done a battery relocation and run a little larger radiator, so running intercooler pipes is prohibited from going to the other side. I have adapted the UIM and LIM from a 2nd gen I have in the shop to do what I want them to. The engine for itself is built and my mod sheet has most of what went into it listed. I assure you its not a 2nd gen motor.Its closer to a 3rd gen with some 1st gen pieces to make it mount. As for the tranny, its the GSL-SE tranny that came with the car. I'm running it until it either breaks or I have time to change it out with my other TII tranny that also gets a ACT clutch, ACT 8.8 flywheel with adapter. This is not a hard swap. I don't see why everyone is upset and making this a bigger issue than it is. The guy asked if he could mount a TII engine on a GSL-SE tranny. Yes he can. I don't see why everyone is picking at what I replied to him. The setup I run no one else seems to be running, and that doesn't bother me, in fact, I like it. The pain comes when I have a question, no one can answer it. I have to go to outside sources to people that have that kind knowledge. The car runs great and looks even better. And its been that way for 3 years now, street driving, racing and traveling. If anyone is still upset, oh well, get over it, I already have. I just tried answering the guys question. I wasn't going to go into big detail with it because everyone always crys "do a search". Then when you go do a search, you spend days trying to figure out what you really need and what you don't. Don't get me wrong, there is vast amount knowledge here, but the bickering is unnessesary. How about this, we just have all questions go to the administrators and we all just read what they want us to. It's not important to list what we have done and made work.

REVHED

He was asking how to put a TII engine AND transmission into a GSL-SE.

That fact is, the advice you've given regarding engine mounting and gearbox mounting has been completely wrong.

MattG

iTrader: (2)

It doesnt really matter the thread starter never asked these questions. He asked if anyone one has heard about the links he has posted above. What we thought about the prices and the places, and also for help to find how to, a simple reply of search you noob would have been better than what he has gotten

This has gotten off topic, I am not trying to be rude to anyone on here. It is great that you are trying to help out, but when it leads no where but to more back and forth fighting its not good.

-Matt

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

You have to remember Matt that we are passionate about our cars in the 1st gen section and also that we do not want new members or even existing members to receive info that is not correct in anything that references to either repairs or mods. What members were pointing out were the discrepencies about the info that was being supplied about doing the swap.

82transam

iTrader: (18)

Very true and well put

MattG

iTrader: (2)

I agree, but sometimes i just get upset when it just goes back and forth, back and forth.

I agree also that it is not good to leave incorrect info out there for people to read and be misguided on thier information.

K-Tune

iTrader: (26)

my oil pan doesn't leak.

front cover does tho haha.