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09-15-02, 05:51 PM
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okay the dude crying about the election the county just north of dade the one with all the ballet problems.. well like 70% of the registered voters there are very welathy and retired, or jewish, like 35% of the registered voters were wealthy jews. how many wealthy people, retiared people, or jews do you know that would ever vote democrat?? just a question? also those who actually paid close attention to what was happening every single re-count they did gave bush more votes. every singe one. he went from winning by like 500 votes to like 2500. so it was sooo pointless to keep crying about it thats why congress said **** it GB won....
09-15-02, 06:32 PM
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HEY!
This thread is about fuel prices.
There are people of all kinds of economic backgrounds within religions, just as there are liberal and ultraconservatie members of said religions.
PLEASE do not post anything stereotyping Jews, Muslims, Christians, or Elders of the Third Moon From The Left in my posts... all it'll do is start an arguement, which is what I was hoping to avoid by posting in here instead of the lounge.
This thread is about fuel prices.
There are people of all kinds of economic backgrounds within religions, just as there are liberal and ultraconservatie members of said religions.
PLEASE do not post anything stereotyping Jews, Muslims, Christians, or Elders of the Third Moon From The Left in my posts... all it'll do is start an arguement, which is what I was hoping to avoid by posting in here instead of the lounge.
09-15-02, 07:17 PM
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"And we need to stop all thoughts and future legislation from even thinking about drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Also, always spell it completely out, even if it's a mouthful and your fingers are cramped afterwards. That acronym crap "ANWR" is meant to strip the Refuge of identity by taking out identifier words like "wildlife" and "refuge." Sounds a lot easier to drill into ANWR, than if you knew it was a refuge on a coastland compromising only 5% of Alaska."
Same goes for the so-called "Rain Forest", no one will send $50 to save the "Jungle", which it is, but lots of leftists will send money to save the "Rain Forest".
Funny how just a simple word change causes such a knee jerk reaction.
Drilling in Anwar (little wildlife in this area, it is desolate) is a MUST for future energy prices here in the U.S. Those that think we're gonna 'offend' a moose with this rig needs to realize that its a very small area we're gonna drill in. Picture this: Go to your dining room table, ok, thats anwar. Now, place a dime in the bottom corner.
Thats the area we'll be drilling, and the area used.
No brainer to me!
Same goes for the so-called "Rain Forest", no one will send $50 to save the "Jungle", which it is, but lots of leftists will send money to save the "Rain Forest".
Funny how just a simple word change causes such a knee jerk reaction.
Drilling in Anwar (little wildlife in this area, it is desolate) is a MUST for future energy prices here in the U.S. Those that think we're gonna 'offend' a moose with this rig needs to realize that its a very small area we're gonna drill in. Picture this: Go to your dining room table, ok, thats anwar. Now, place a dime in the bottom corner.
Thats the area we'll be drilling, and the area used.
No brainer to me!
09-15-02, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Hyper4mance2k
okay the dude crying about the election the county just north of dade the one with all the ballet problems.. well like 70% of the registered voters there are very welathy and retired, or jewish, like 35% of the registered voters were wealthy jews. how many wealthy people, retiared people, or jews do you know that would ever vote democrat?? just a question? also those who actually paid close attention to what was happening every single re-count they did gave bush more votes. every singe one. he went from winning by like 500 votes to like 2500. so it was sooo pointless to keep crying about it thats why congress said **** it GB won....
okay the dude crying about the election the county just north of dade the one with all the ballet problems.. well like 70% of the registered voters there are very welathy and retired, or jewish, like 35% of the registered voters were wealthy jews. how many wealthy people, retiared people, or jews do you know that would ever vote democrat?? just a question? also those who actually paid close attention to what was happening every single re-count they did gave bush more votes. every singe one. he went from winning by like 500 votes to like 2500. so it was sooo pointless to keep crying about it thats why congress said **** it GB won....
09-15-02, 11:15 PM
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What do you mean oil prices hardly bumped from Iraq invading Kuwait. Ha.
I was paying 74 cents a gallon for unleaded in early 90, my senior year in highschool. By same time in 91 after that crap, I was paying 1.50 a gallon and I have never seen it go back down below 1.14 ever since.
I was paying 74 cents a gallon for unleaded in early 90, my senior year in highschool. By same time in 91 after that crap, I was paying 1.50 a gallon and I have never seen it go back down below 1.14 ever since.
09-16-02, 02:34 AM
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Isn't there still an embargo on Irag? As far as I know they havent contributed to our oil prices in a while and a war against them shouldn't change it much. And last I heard the market was not expecting an increase in oil prices for the next 5 to 10 years.
09-16-02, 10:10 AM
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There have been numerous indipendent Not funded or backed by the lefties or righties) scientific studies in the ANWAR oil proposel, and every one of them have said the impact on the area will be little to none. I think we need to get that oil and make ourselver less dependent on the middle east.
09-16-02, 12:35 PM
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"Why rely on imported oil?" That's a mouth full !
If you stop and think about the cost of oil from the point of exploration, to digging, to pumping, to refining, gas aint that expensive. Think of it this way - it would cost a lot more if the the product you were pouring into your gas tank was Coca Cola which is essentially sugar and water.
Oil will always be cheaper to import - North American economics (unionized larbour, high taxes, cost of doing business) have made certain of that!
If you stop and think about the cost of oil from the point of exploration, to digging, to pumping, to refining, gas aint that expensive. Think of it this way - it would cost a lot more if the the product you were pouring into your gas tank was Coca Cola which is essentially sugar and water.
Oil will always be cheaper to import - North American economics (unionized larbour, high taxes, cost of doing business) have made certain of that!
09-16-02, 01:59 PM
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Now the other side of the coin: Long time ago I bought a 1977 datsun B-210 brand new. The sticker said, and I'll never forget this; 28 city and 48 hwy mpg. I actually got close to 30 city, and right at 50 on the highway.
I am therefore convinced that the government, oil companies,and the auto industry are in collusion to not make high MPG autos. Surely, in 25 years they could have improved mileage from what I got then? Can't find a car with a regular engine that comes close to that little datsuns gas mileage now!
I am therefore convinced that the government, oil companies,and the auto industry are in collusion to not make high MPG autos. Surely, in 25 years they could have improved mileage from what I got then? Can't find a car with a regular engine that comes close to that little datsuns gas mileage now!
09-16-02, 02:18 PM
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It's not neccessarily the engines, but that modern cars are laden with sound deadening, side impact protection, airbags, etc.
I remember GM showcasing a lightweight concept car using exotic materials, and Car & Driver pointed out that it's weight and mileage were virtually identical to that of a B-210 two decades older...
I remember GM showcasing a lightweight concept car using exotic materials, and Car & Driver pointed out that it's weight and mileage were virtually identical to that of a B-210 two decades older...
09-17-02, 10:17 AM
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Threats of attack on Iraq Is really a Bush case of Weapons of Mass Distraction to ensure nobody looks at the poor economy and corruption in the USA before the forth coming elections.
Iraq was encouraged by the USA to go to war with Iran over a border dispute. The USA provided the weapons and electronic intelligence. Latter it double crossed Iraq by also supplying arms to Iran!
In the case of Kuwait. Iraq had a genuine case of a border dispute and tried to seek arbitration. After seeking advice from the USA on any concern on a border dispute, after receiving assurances it was not the USAs problem, Iraq went to war. After massive complaints by oil companies and Israel, the USA did an about face and Desert Sheild and Desert Storm were the result. The Kuwait government, certainly more a slave state than a democracy, spent over $10 million running a PR campaign in New York.
September 11 is the Arab Day of Mourning, being the day the USA, UK and France broke their word on their being an Arab Nation in return for the Arabs rebelling against the Turks and siding with the Allies in the 1914-18 wae. It was the day the Mandates were declared with no Arab Independence. Oil was the prize. The result was the Zionist invasion and colonisation, the death of over a 100,000 and over 50% of the population made outcasts. The establishment of American bases in Saudia Arabia in support of a dictator and his family was a reminder of the first betrayal. this the action by Saudia people against New York. The bitterness of the people can be seen in that 20 people went to certain death for their belief. The choice of September 11 was deliberate.
September 11 was the day the USA funded the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile. The Military terrorists funded by the American military had over 30,000 people murdered all for the preservation of American profits. Thus, Trade Union leaders were killed by their thosand for trying to obtain better working conditions.
With the recent Iraq agreement for UN inspectors, the price of gas will not go up but there are over a 100,000 already dead due to the economic santions and continual USA bombing for the past ten years.
$200 + billion for a war against Iraq, thousands killed by Israel in defience of UN resolutions, but I am not worried about a few cents on the price of oil when 12 million are starving to death in Southern Africa.
American threats of unjustified attack on Iraq is a Weapon of Mass Distraction by a man given the presidency by his brother and is acting against the American people for the benefit of his party.
I may be a cynic but I was involved in the first American invasion of Lebanon which turned out to be the result of a false media story like the excuse for declaring war on Spain after sailors got drunk and let a boiler explode and the American story was it was caused by a mine!.
Peace to all, and may your God go with you.
Iraq was encouraged by the USA to go to war with Iran over a border dispute. The USA provided the weapons and electronic intelligence. Latter it double crossed Iraq by also supplying arms to Iran!
In the case of Kuwait. Iraq had a genuine case of a border dispute and tried to seek arbitration. After seeking advice from the USA on any concern on a border dispute, after receiving assurances it was not the USAs problem, Iraq went to war. After massive complaints by oil companies and Israel, the USA did an about face and Desert Sheild and Desert Storm were the result. The Kuwait government, certainly more a slave state than a democracy, spent over $10 million running a PR campaign in New York.
September 11 is the Arab Day of Mourning, being the day the USA, UK and France broke their word on their being an Arab Nation in return for the Arabs rebelling against the Turks and siding with the Allies in the 1914-18 wae. It was the day the Mandates were declared with no Arab Independence. Oil was the prize. The result was the Zionist invasion and colonisation, the death of over a 100,000 and over 50% of the population made outcasts. The establishment of American bases in Saudia Arabia in support of a dictator and his family was a reminder of the first betrayal. this the action by Saudia people against New York. The bitterness of the people can be seen in that 20 people went to certain death for their belief. The choice of September 11 was deliberate.
September 11 was the day the USA funded the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile. The Military terrorists funded by the American military had over 30,000 people murdered all for the preservation of American profits. Thus, Trade Union leaders were killed by their thosand for trying to obtain better working conditions.
With the recent Iraq agreement for UN inspectors, the price of gas will not go up but there are over a 100,000 already dead due to the economic santions and continual USA bombing for the past ten years.
$200 + billion for a war against Iraq, thousands killed by Israel in defience of UN resolutions, but I am not worried about a few cents on the price of oil when 12 million are starving to death in Southern Africa.
American threats of unjustified attack on Iraq is a Weapon of Mass Distraction by a man given the presidency by his brother and is acting against the American people for the benefit of his party.
I may be a cynic but I was involved in the first American invasion of Lebanon which turned out to be the result of a false media story like the excuse for declaring war on Spain after sailors got drunk and let a boiler explode and the American story was it was caused by a mine!.
Peace to all, and may your God go with you.
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09-19-02, 03:24 PM
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I almost got on my huge soap box and replied to all the crap that has been posted here, but I'll refrain and simply answer the original question;
I already saw my gas price jump from $1.38 to $1.44 (93 oct) in the last week. This may just be the normal market fluctuation, but it seems a bit high for normal. I personally won't worry about the gas price, it just makes my method of having fun a little more expensive.
I already saw my gas price jump from $1.38 to $1.44 (93 oct) in the last week. This may just be the normal market fluctuation, but it seems a bit high for normal. I personally won't worry about the gas price, it just makes my method of having fun a little more expensive.
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Well put, Paul. Goes to show...Want the low-down on what your government is (has been) up to?...Ask someone from a different country!
Pose the same questions to an American, and he'll either be a cynical bastard like myself, or you'll get this...
Pose the same questions to an American, and he'll either be a cynical bastard like myself, or you'll get this...
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Originally posted by 851stgen12a
There have been numerous indipendent Not funded or backed by the lefties or righties) scientific studies in the ANWAR oil proposel, and every one of them have said the impact on the area will be little to none. I think we need to get that oil and make ourselver less dependent on the middle east.
There have been numerous indipendent Not funded or backed by the lefties or righties) scientific studies in the ANWAR oil proposel, and every one of them have said the impact on the area will be little to none. I think we need to get that oil and make ourselver less dependent on the middle east.
And Manntis...don't get too teary eyed for Saddam...do you remember how he crushed one of the revolts from the Kurd population in the South? Israel sure hasn't done that to anybody I know...
09-22-02, 10:47 PM
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I don't get teary eyed for any world leader 
I was posting about a possible hit to our pocket books for driving gas guzzling wondermobiles.
One could go on about what various gov'ts have done to their populations (Kent State, anyone?) but let's keep this about watching oil prices.
I was posting about a possible hit to our pocket books for driving gas guzzling wondermobiles.One could go on about what various gov'ts have done to their populations (Kent State, anyone?) but let's keep this about watching oil prices.
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What is perhaps the most important recent development on oil supply is the start of the southern pipeline by BP avoiding going through Russia. Some 30% of world oill reserves are as yet untapped in that southwest eurasian region and its transport out will have a major impact on world prices in about 5 years.
Mar 3, on a minor matter the Kurds are in the north of Iraq not the south. The USA supported them seeking independence until Turkey threatened to close access their airbases as they were frightened of the continuing revolt by Kurds in that country and the possibility of a Turkistan nation being proclaimed. The Sunni are the people in the south, again the USA supported their revolt but pulled out at the crucial time in case they joined Iran.
I agree with Manntis, few governments have clean hands but after working to rebuild health systems around the world after civil wars, I often wonder if people get the evil governments they deserve considering mans' inhumanity to man.
Anyway more importantly its 25 degrees C, so I will enjoy life by drive my RX-7 the 100 miles down the mountain to the coast just to have lunch at one of my favorite fish restaurants. Oysters, prawns and fresh salmon. Now that is civilisation!
Mar 3, on a minor matter the Kurds are in the north of Iraq not the south. The USA supported them seeking independence until Turkey threatened to close access their airbases as they were frightened of the continuing revolt by Kurds in that country and the possibility of a Turkistan nation being proclaimed. The Sunni are the people in the south, again the USA supported their revolt but pulled out at the crucial time in case they joined Iran.
I agree with Manntis, few governments have clean hands but after working to rebuild health systems around the world after civil wars, I often wonder if people get the evil governments they deserve considering mans' inhumanity to man.
Anyway more importantly its 25 degrees C, so I will enjoy life by drive my RX-7 the 100 miles down the mountain to the coast just to have lunch at one of my favorite fish restaurants. Oysters, prawns and fresh salmon. Now that is civilisation!
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high gas prices suck. now i'm going to quote our infallible leader " fool me once,.... uuhh... um, shame on me, fool me twice....... er.... um........ ifulmuh not gonna be fooled again." no, this post doesn't really have a meaning other than to point out how frightened i am to have this man with his hands on the most destructive arsenal in the world. and what the hell is an 'ifulmuh'??!?!?!
