1sgen

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i would really be mad if no one tried the kit before they sold it

woodonastick

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i finally got some pics uploaded of the 1st try with the wheels on.




I bought some 1 inch spacers to fit the verts with 205/60/15 tires and had to roll the fenders to prevent rubbing. It looks good and everything works fine now.

woodonastick

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^^^pics above is without spacers btw^^^

My review on the respeed brake swap.

installation is very simple. i did run into a 1 problem; while heating up the adapter i put it in slightly crooked and it settled wrong. no big deal, i took it to the shop to be pressed in gently. so be careful when slipping it in. everything is straight forward.
everything else fit fine with ease, and again like stilettoman said, use a dust shield. just drill the fc dust shield holes bigger to fit the bolt through.

all in all its a good product. very good machined parts, fast shipping, great people to deal with.

only draw back was the wheel issue i had. to fit the vert wheel, i had to get the 1in spacers.

if that was the case...i was a test subject...fine by me, aslong as the brakes won't fail and end up off the cliff, which im sure wont happen.

just please acually test the product before releasing it...but thats just something i would've done.

respeed is still ok in my book

woodonastick

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ive only driven the car a few miles since. cant really say on performance yet but so far feels good. while on lift at full lock seems to clear everything, but while driving, at full lock steering im hearing sounds. kind of a moan sound? cant put my finger on it yet, but its probably the parts i put into it such as used bearings..this is all on my part, but ill check for any other issues like braking and such.

Re-Speed.com

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All of our parts are CAD designed, CNC manufactured and properly tested. In fact a number or products not released yet claimed a fastest lap and a third place finish at the ARRC (Large end of the year race for first gen cars prepped to IT rules) race this past weekend.

We have no way of trying to fit all wheel and tire combinations though, the reason for the spreadsheet creation during design.

-billy

DriveFast7

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Hi Billy, congrats on 3rd place @ ARRC, that's a competetive field.

Sounds like a good kit, just need to measure wheel fitment before buying wheels.

When time permits the T][ front brake conversion for REPU to be completed let me know. I wouldn't mind installing it this winter before autocross season starts.

woodonastick, is the tire rubbing on sway bar?

Brad

mikey D

correct me if im wrong

after the brake kit is installed

just about any 7 inch wide wheel with a +45 backspace will be ok correct?

I dont think i really understand how to use the spread sheet correctly

if vert wheels have a +38 why did he have to ad a 25mm or 1 inch spacer to make them fit? Tire racks wheels for the turbo 5 lugs are 38 to 40mm offsets.

dbragg

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well this is a total bummer. i planned on running FD wheels. i knew id have to get a 1"(25mm) spacer since thats what the 2nd gen cars have to do, but now it appears as though id have to get a 2" spacer for the wheels to work.

Rico Suave

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Stupid question:do the 4 lug hubs and the 5 lug hubs the same because the rottors on the 5 lugs are bigger. My point is , if i can re drilled a 5 lug rotor to fit a 4 lug hub, so i can keep the 4 lug bolt pattern.

I already invested in a set of 18 inch wheels

woodonastick

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a vert wheel has is 6.5" vs a tii 7". at a 0 offset the vert wheel will have a backspace of 3.25"~82.5mm and the tii wheel will have a 3.5"~88.9mm backspace. so in addition, the vert wheel has an offset of +38 and a tii having +45 offset. total vert =120.5mm tii = 133.9
difference is 13.4mm ~ .53"

did i just do a bunch of mumbo jumbo? i totally just lost myself.
if im totally wrong please correct me. id like to learn from my mistakes!

anyways. i added a 1" spacer and have about half inch (didnt acually measure) of clearance from wheel to shock.

drivefast7, most likely that my wheels are rubbing my sway bar. just too lazy to check right now, but ill be sure to test it tomorrow.

1sgen

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BILLY DUDE IM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR PARTS OR THE QUALITY, YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST TRIED THE OEM WHEELS . I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY SPREADSHEET CREATION , WE ALL KNOW THAT DESIGNING SOMETHING ON PAPER AND ACTUALLY FITTING IT IS SOMETIMES 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. WHEN YOU DESIGN A 1 OFF KIT ITS OK BUT WHEN YOU SELL SOMETHING FOR A GROUP YOU OWE IT TO YOUR CUSTOMERS TO AT LEAST TRY FITTING IT WITH THE OEM WHEELS , NO BODY ASKED YOU TO TRY IT WITH EVERY POSSIBLE WHEEL AVAILABLE.
PLEASE EVERYBODY CORRECT ME IF I WAS WRONG .

kenn_chan

I for one am quite satisfied with the transaction, I never specified what wheels i would be putting on the vehicle as I knew that I would have to order new ones anyways, that being said I do not know if at anytime billy claimed a 3rd gen wheel would fit, nor did I see anything that said no spacers would be required, it did say that the caliper and brakes from a 2nd gen would fit and that you would end up with a 5 lug setup.

before some of us go off the deep end, please do your research before you pay for an item. If Billy specifically told you that a certain wheel would fit, then he owes YOU an explanation. please remember that offsets are very dependant upon the manufacturs tolerances and actual measureing style.


Kenn

Remember we are not the 2nd gen forum, and its damn well hard enough to get parts, don't go chasing away the few that will deliver in a timely fashion to us.

Cheers

Re-Speed.com

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Please do not yell. I never said you questioned our quality. I know where our quality is.

We do not have OEM wheels to try. The usefulness of the kit was not to put stock 2nd gen wheels on a first gen. It is to put the brakes on it.

Bern was asking about the offset needed, so I did some research and popped the numbers in my spread sheet and came up with a answer.

woodonastick has numbers in his post below. The difference in the 6.5" wheel and the 7" wheel is 1/4" from center. Yet the offset for the two is 38 minus 45. The spread sheet shows his combination will need a 1/2" spacer. He used a 1" and (MAY) have 1/2" gap. Seems logical.


I guess I would say to make sure there is at least 5.5" backspace from tire bulge to mount flange on the wheels you choose to run.

-billy

2wankel

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Bill,

I'm just glad that you offered a brake package for the 7. I have a question though, I have after market stainless steel brake lines. Do I have to purchase 2nd gen brake lines or will it thread right in a TII 4-piston caliper? Also will 15 inch wheels clear a 4-piston TII caliper install?

thanks

clubber

I don't know about the rest of your questions but T2 brakes will work with a 15" wheel.

mikey D

yes they will work with SOME 15 inch wheels.
ive had 2 TII cars.

one had the big heavy ugly 5 lug wheels and the other had the 15" wheels that look kinda like an electric fan blade

DriveFast7

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I think this sums it up. I too plan on getting new rims for my REPU if billy does a REPU T2 big brake kit. SO many more wheel options with 5 lug vs. 6 lug or 4x110mm. Just measure where the wheel mounting surface is before and after the upgrade and buy new wheels accordingly. Or spacers.

I think the expectation of taking hubs and brakes off a totally different car (T2), with a different width and wheelbase, and putting them on a 1st gen, and being able to use the 2nd gen wheels plug and play is not realistic.

kenn_chan

Oh its realistic, if you are willing to pay 800~1000 for a custom made kit, the whole thing is that for the sub 200 price you will have to change wheels (this is a given due to the lug pattern) so you are going to spend some money either way. I would just rather have the stock brake components as they are more readily avilable, and the price and quality are there.

BTW I measured the parts and they all spec out at +-.0025" of each other thats pretty gooed machine work for less than $200.00

Kenn

1sgen

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i want to start by apologizing for yelling , i did not know that caps on mean that you are yelling in computer language.
second i want to clear that i am not trying to scare away anybody that is trying to help us "1st gen people", we thank you guys.
third all im trying to say is in billys own words in the quote that i have above , he used turbo2 wheel measurment of 7" and offset +45 from tire rack for 7" wheels that fits fc and came up with the clearances needed . well if i have an aftermarket wheel that is a 7" and +45 offset or turbo2 wheel which have +45 offset i should be able to fit my wheels on my first gen , right? wrong, they dont fit unless i put a spacer , which leads me to believe that there was an error somewhere , and if they tried oneof these kits on they would have found out the problem.


quote from the original big brake group buy message#38
Bern,

barely = +/- .010"

Our spindle spacer turns the FB spindle into a copy of the FC spindle. So when the kit is used the new hub rotor combo is in the same spot as on the FC. The offset of the wheel you use will be the same as if it was going on a FC.

Difference from FB? Maybe .250" But this is not a concern since the FB wheel is not big enough or the correct bolt pattern to bolt to the hub.

*******When wheel shopping for this mod simply look for wheels that fit either a 4 lug or 5 lug second generation (Depending on what you have) and the lug pattern and offset will be what you are looking for.*******************

-billy

i think he clearly states that wheels that fit 2nd gen think original wheels 'turbo or conv." are included
and am sorry to say they will not unless you use a spacer which was not mentioned any where.
im sorry guys i really love the product and i thank them for making it .

mikey D

I still havent figured out that spread sheet.
I want this kit and am getting new wheels so i figured it out on my own.

heres a few examples starting with vert wheels


6.5 wide
38mm offset
12 mm spacer
effective offset 26
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7 wide
40mm offset
18mm spacer
effective offset 22
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8 wide
40mm offset
31mm spacer
effective offset 9
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8 wide
48mm offset
39mm spacer
effective offset 9
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im pretty sure this is all correct. I know the Vert wheels are correct.
hope this helps..

the reason the effective offset gets smaller is because you are moving the wheels mounting point closer to the center an 9 inch wheel would give you a Negitive offset.

these are also just starting points, you may need a bigger spacer depending on the tires you use.

aussiesmg

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Why would you put 2nd gen wheels on an FB, spend the money and buy something nice. If you can't afford decent rims why buy the brakes? You need more power and handling before the stock brakes are not adequate. If you're racing, buy some lightweight steel rims from Diamond Racing, any offset any size any stud pattern are available.

Billy, your patience is recognised and your parts appreciated.....Steve

1sgen

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because they are available from the same car i got the brakes from and im not ready to buy custom wheels.

so if i cant afford custom wheels i should not have upgraded brakes? hmm makes a lot of sense!!!!!!

is 446 rwhp and upgraded springs,shocks,swaybars,and camber kits enough reason to upgrade the brakes as well.

aussiemg you didnot make a lot of sense in the post

billy your patience is greatly recognised and your parts are much appreciated seriously.
sam

stilettoman

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"Why would you put 2nd gen wheels on an FB, spend the money and buy something nice. If you can't afford decent rims why buy the brakes?"

That is a REALLY DUMB STATEMENT. I doubt you can buy much lighter weight wheels that the stock 2nd gen BBS alloys I have on my 1984 GSL, and they allowed me to use some good tires, made a huge difference in the cornering, acceleration and stopping ability of the car.

I have been making handling mods to sports cars and sedans since the 1960s, and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the basics. Some people on this forum really like to sound like experts, and a few actually are very knowledgeable. You need to read between the lines.

kenn_chan

Stilettoman, what I think he meant was that without better wheels/tires it didn't make much sence to put the big brake kit on the car regardless of brakes, no traction = no traction

and honestly, (not to bag on BBS)(Hot pile of steaming unchi ) but I can think of quite a few wheels that are lighter and better than the BBS mesh models

advan racing 2 different models,
SSR mesh= lighter
watanabe rs-8 =a little lighter but much better looking
watanabe 8 spoke (originals magnesium) = much lighter, way cool looking, but prone to cracking after extended road racing (4 seasons)

these are the ones I can think of, on the top of my head, and I know that there are plenty of others.

kenn

woodonastick

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this is true. once i thought about purchasing the kit, i went and searched for wheels. i found a company that made both wheel patterns (4 and 5 lug). only thing was i ordered it for an fc offset 7in wide with +35 offset. this was recommended by my fc friend. i orderd the wheels even before recieving the kit..so now i need the spacer.