theallwheeldeal

Do any of you guys have problems
with hybrid hondas.
Reason I am asking is because here at the illegals that's all that I really see now a days..
Say what you wants about these honda's
but, I have seen with my own two eyes
(sad to say this) hybrid hondas beat cars like
LS1's yes LS1 ( 13 sec cars )
turbo mr2's/eclipse's/rx7's
needless to say Mustangs and more...
Now these hondas are with and without NOS.... Mostly all motor hardly any turbo's or super charged hondas..
I have seen a all motor hybrid honda beat an LS1 too... No B.S.

The best time I have seen a 1gen streetport 13b run was 14.5 /14.4
with weight reduction
Do you think a streetport 13b SE with all the usual mods carb,exhaust ,intake,fuel,ing,etc will have a hard time and what do you think it will take..
Can it be done without NOS. what do you guys think????
I haven't ran a number at the track yet
My car will be finished by next Month..

theallwheeldeal

Sorry about the double post
Damn newbie!!!!

Maguire

iTrader: (1)

hehe, at first i thought you were talking about the hybrid gas/electric cars. But you mean, civic hatch backs with LS motors right?

onepointone

i have respect for alot of the hybrid hondas around here. atleast where i am, the quick honda's arent riced out. my friend just got a b20z in his 94 hatch si.. basics (header, intake, exhaust, lightweight flywheel, stage2 clutch.. ) expecting to run 13's all motor.. thats impressive if you ask me. of course we wont know till he actually produces a time slip, but i have seen him run 13.6 in the hatch he had before with a regular b20 with a 50 shot of n2o. my other friend has a b18b1 in a 89 crx. that thing ran low 14's 10-15 times a night, every friday. talk about reliability the only thing to blow that motor was a couple gallons of water through his CAI in a REALLY bad rain storm. threw the rod out both sides of the block. point it.. hondas have a bad rep from people who rice them out.. but im my opinion.. the quick ones deserve the respect.. they are quick and reliable..

nekky

14.5 seems quite slow for a properly bridgeported 4-port 13b with a good carb, adequate suspension and gummy tires IMHO, can anyone back this up in here? I think Andrew from the 1st gen mailing list could. One of you Aussies should be chiming in any second now lol

Zac

theallwheeldeal

I did say a 13b Streetported
not bridgeported...
That would be a pretty sorry bridgeport if it only ran a mid 14 sec's.....LOL

I guess I should ask since these Hybrid hondas are running mid 13's to low 14's
It might be a little tough to tangle with just a fully built streetport with all the bolt on's?????

What are some of the best streetport 13b quarter miles time out there???
The best time I have seen are low to mid 14sec 1/4 times... In a 1st gen.....
I pretty sure 13sec is obtainable in a 1st gen with a streetport and all the bolt on's

That's my goal anyway!!!!!!!

theallwheeldeal

All rotor of course.....
No force induction.....

xxxHondaGuyxxx

You need to remember something first.

12a - what.....110hp?

13b - 135hp or so?

Civic Si - 160hp...
Integra GSR - 180hp...

Hell, stock Civic EX - 127hp.

It's not like we're driving Ferraris here.

Similar stock outputs mean similar hp gains with similar $$$.

Yeah, Honda's have a bad rap because of the 16 year old kid with the 24" tall spoiler and 5" diameter exhaust tip on his mom's Civic DX (base model) revs on anything and everything at every stoplight.

But you can easily build up a Honda, the same as building up a Mazda.

Manntis

12A = 101bhp (stock)

13B = 135bhp (stock, FB type SE application)

SilverRocket

Nah... you'll get a lot more for the bolt-on's like exhaust and intake with the rotary.

The 12A makes 50% more power with just simple carb and exhaust... there's no way you can say that for the Honda motors.

The Honda motorswaps are quick because they're decently powerful engines (more powerful than the stock FB motors) in a similarly light chassis. You don't usually see the subwoofer / 20" dub crowd running those times, it's usually the guys with the hot motor and some weight reduction in an already light car.

It's all about the weight - I would think that a bare bones 81-85 GS with a streetport 13B would be in that territory. It'd be similar power (what, about 220 hp or so with a good carb nicely tuned?) and similar power-to-weight ratio as the Honda's.

The other thing, though, is that in my mind driving a nice RX-7 is a million times cooler than driving a ubiquitous stripped Civic hatch, no matter what the timeslips are.

I drive a 91 Civic hatch as a winter car, completely stock, and I have to say, I've got absolutely zero interest in doing anything "performance"-related to it - to me, compared to my RX-7, it's pretty much just a boring car no matter how you cut it LOL. It could be possible to make it fast, but the 'feel' just isn't there. It feels like an econobox - the driving position, the whole deal. Even the fast Civics I've ridden in feel like fast econoboxes lol. It's not the same.

82transam

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Didn't read any of the posts above this one, but I'll go on record as saying I like Honda's quite a bit and in the future when I have some real money to play with I wanna build an integra. This is a pointless post but hey wtf

SilverRocket

Integras are sweet - guy I knew a few summers ago had a *sweet* Type-R with all the goodies... that thing cornered on DOT-R's fast enough to scare the **** outta me.

Don't get me wrong - my above comments are mostly referring to old Civic hatches like my 91. I can imagine what it'd be like if it was as fast as my 7, and it'd be alright, but I just can't see it being as fun an overall experience, at least for me. Maybe I'm just jonesing to drive my 7 again - it's been in storage since September and I'm starting to freak lol.

theallwheeldeal

xxxhondaguyxxx
You made an intresting point about HP output...
13b in a 1st gen only makes 130..
However, the sec gens make 160 hp
These are 6 ports..
Now the question is how does the sec gen make 160hp and the first gen only make 130hp..
Yet at the same time everyone says that the 4port motors are better to have than a 6port ...
Now does the 1st gen se come with a 6port or an 4 port.???
If its a 6port what has change in the sec gen to make 160hp..
You think that will close the gap in output vs honda's because the B16 makes 160hp
even the B18c only makes 10 hp more at 170..
So would a sec gen motor be a better platform to start with???

The gap is not that much with a Sec gen motor.....
..

theallwheeldeal

Silver rocket have you ran your car at the track???

If so what kinda of times do you run..
Reason being we have almost the same setup.???
I trying to get an Idea of where I should be at once my car is ready!!!!
Have you raced any honda's with swaps???

Maguire

iTrader: (1)

The four ports are better for carb applications. But the 6 ports are better for EFI. The gsl-se is also a 6 port. But the HP improvment in the second gens comes from the improved intake design. You can read about it more here....

http://members.rogers.com/sofronov/C...otary/13B.html

That page has a detailed description of the changes the 13b has gone through.

White84SE

'91 Civic is old school? Hell no... come play with my '86 Si.. now that's old school.. LOL Seriously though, I don't like to admit it, but stock-for stock, I think my Civic is as fast as my 7 was.. and while it may be FWD, it still handles really well...

--Danny

purple82

My daily driver is a 92 Integra GSR. It's fun and fast, but I have yet to drive anything front drive that is anything close to the fun quotient of an Rx-7. The weight distribution is just wrong and no amount of suspension tuning can mask it.

My 82 has a 6port 13b Weber street port. It's tuned very rich at the moment but it will still clearly show tail lights to my Integra.

SilverRocket

I haven't since the Dellorto, fuel pump, etc. My last time at the track was with stock Nikki, RB exhaust and electric fan. I ran a 15.7 as I recall.

With my Dellorto, I've run at a quartermile strip that some friends have set up on a road in the middle of nowhere, and with a GTECH. Times seem to be in the neighborhood of 15 flat to low 15's depending on the day, with mph in the low 90's. It's hard to say since I haven't really run it at a real track, so I won't comment too much.

With my setup, I'd say the potential is there for 15 flat on a nice day. It depends a lot on how much weight reduction you've done. It could be slower if you're an optioned out GSL with subwoofers, while if you've stripped your car it could be faster.

Either way it's definitely a nice setup - you get a lot more of a feeling of "hey, I drive a decently fast car" than with the stock setup.

My buddy has a CRX with a J-spec VTEC motor, I think it's a 'ZC', similar to a D16 as I recall, I'm not sure - I don't know Honda's too well. He's got all the bolt-on's, and his car is quick. In fact, riding in the car it feels quicker than my RX-7. BUT, when we have actually raced, I've pulled away a little. It's pretty close though, the RX-7 has an edge but not a huge edge. I'm sure there are lots of guys with B18 swaps or whatever that would kick my *** though.

Here's a nice shot of my RX-7 pulling hardcore on a CRX at the dragstrip a while back (in the stock Nikki days):