It's official, 2006 model Rx-7 is coming!!
03-21-05, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hammmy
Wow, guess the company was soulless from 1995 up 'till the release of the RX-8. Gosh, what in the world would a corporation do without it's soul? Probably just try to make as much money as possible, like every other fricking company.
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03-21-05, 07:45 PM
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Uh, not exactly soul-less. The 3rd gen was produced until 2002, but not imported to North America after 1995. Ford would like to strip Mazda of its soul, but knows it would be a bad move in the long run even if they did have final say in the matter.
03-21-05, 07:50 PM
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...And so it is with the RX8. This car will never be in the same sleek looks category as 3rd gen RX7s, Ferraris and NSXs. Then again, it was never meant to be in that group. But it certainly eclipses other so-called sports/GT cars with four doors that are aimed at married folks in the 30-to-45 age bracket. ugly, but the RX8 has them beat in every department, including looks....
03-21-05, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by smnc
Wow, you really are talking out of your *** . . .
Mazda DIDN'T STOP MAKING RX-7's in 1995.
They only stopped shipping them to North America...
Mazda DIDN'T STOP MAKING RX-7's in 1995.
They only stopped shipping them to North America...
As for ***-talking, quoting that RX-8s are flying out of the showroom in the fricking metropolis of Acton, Ontario (pop. 7,767--counting livestock and pets) and that the area sports a total of two (gasp!) RX-8s makes you the winner of this particular contest.
03-21-05, 08:05 PM
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Where is this thread getting us? I thought this forum was about the joys and frustratuions of gen 1 RX-7, not some petty insults on matters which are all irrelevant.
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wisconsin rednecks.
Most days in Northern Wisconsin I feel like Custer but instead of redskin indians I'm surrounded but rednecks idiots.
Recently purchased my second 1st gen RX-7. Should have never sold the last one 10 years ago. I'm fairly certain its the only rotary car in Lakeside Township population 150. Then again could be a RX-2 in some farmers field rusting away.
Most of the rednecks get their ideas that the rotary is not a good engine because they know someone that was too stupid and only changed the oil every 10,000 miles like they did on their 70's firechicken.
I'm partial to the 1st Gens, not wild about the 2nd Gens and would perfer a 3rd Gen over the 2nds. I'd like to take a RX-8 for a test drive sometime. If and when Mazda produces another 2 seat pure sports car it doent matter if they call it a RX-7, RX-9 or something else. They should just do it (my opinion). The original appeal of the RX-7 in 79 was a pure sports car at an affordable price. I'd bet theres a market for a sports car between $25-$35k.
Recently purchased my second 1st gen RX-7. Should have never sold the last one 10 years ago. I'm fairly certain its the only rotary car in Lakeside Township population 150. Then again could be a RX-2 in some farmers field rusting away.
Most of the rednecks get their ideas that the rotary is not a good engine because they know someone that was too stupid and only changed the oil every 10,000 miles like they did on their 70's firechicken.
I'm partial to the 1st Gens, not wild about the 2nd Gens and would perfer a 3rd Gen over the 2nds. I'd like to take a RX-8 for a test drive sometime. If and when Mazda produces another 2 seat pure sports car it doent matter if they call it a RX-7, RX-9 or something else. They should just do it (my opinion). The original appeal of the RX-7 in 79 was a pure sports car at an affordable price. I'd bet theres a market for a sports car between $25-$35k.
03-21-05, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
And someone mentioned Ford having a say in the R&D department of Mazda... That doesn't make any sense since Ford's only involvement with Mazda doesn't extend beyond the boarders of North America last I heard.
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And plus I love the idea of another RX-7. But it also pisses me off because that just means I've got one more car to add to my list before my dream RX-7 garage is complete
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03-21-05, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
And someone mentioned Ford having a say in the R&D department of Mazda... That doesn't make any sense since Ford's only involvement with Mazda doesn't extend beyond the boarders of North America last I heard.
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It did happen, shortly after Ford bailed Mazda out...
That's when the RENESIS development went "underground" as engineers continued to work on it on their own time...
03-21-05, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hammmy
If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around, does anyone give a ****? If you stop making a car for the largest auto market in the world, you are no longer making that car. You're a North American too, do you give a crap about JDM FDs?
As for ***-talking, quoting that RX-8s are flying out of the showroom in the fricking metropolis of Acton, Ontario (pop. 7,767--counting livestock and pets) and that the area sports a total of two (gasp!) RX-8s makes you the winner of this particular contest.
As for ***-talking, quoting that RX-8s are flying out of the showroom in the fricking metropolis of Acton, Ontario (pop. 7,767--counting livestock and pets) and that the area sports a total of two (gasp!) RX-8s makes you the winner of this particular contest.
What kind of MORON are you?
And yes I DO GIVE A CRAP about JDM FD's.
And the Bathurst R and Spirit R are DAMN sweet cars...
And you want to educate me about car sales where I live?
a.) Rural area... not a huge performance car market. 2 RX-8's (that I see in town regularly), NO 350Z's, no Porches, and only a handfull of Mustangs. And 4 RX-7s
b.) At LEAST 8 more RX-8's from the same dealership in the neighboring towns...
c.) At least a dozen more that have gone through the dealership, that I don't know where they ended up...
All this in a reigion with 3 Ford dealerships, 3 GM's , 2 Chyslers, VW, Kia, Honda, Toyota and Nissan, and a Population under 100,000...
Not too shabby for a RURAL AREA... And those are only the ones I PERSONALLY know of....
03-21-05, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wisconsinrx7
Most days in Northern Wisconsin I feel like Custer but instead of redskin indians I'm surrounded but rednecks idiots.
Recently purchased my second 1st gen RX-7. Should have never sold the last one 10 years ago. I'm fairly certain its the only rotary car in Lakeside Township population 150. Then again could be a RX-2 in some farmers field rusting away.
Most of the rednecks get their ideas that the rotary is not a good engine because they know someone that was too stupid and only changed the oil every 10,000 miles like they did on their 70's firechicken.
I'm partial to the 1st Gens, not wild about the 2nd Gens and would perfer a 3rd Gen over the 2nds. I'd like to take a RX-8 for a test drive sometime. If and when Mazda produces another 2 seat pure sports car it doent matter if they call it a RX-7, RX-9 or something else. They should just do it (my opinion). The original appeal of the RX-7 in 79 was a pure sports car at an affordable price. I'd bet theres a market for a sports car between $25-$35k.
Recently purchased my second 1st gen RX-7. Should have never sold the last one 10 years ago. I'm fairly certain its the only rotary car in Lakeside Township population 150. Then again could be a RX-2 in some farmers field rusting away.
Most of the rednecks get their ideas that the rotary is not a good engine because they know someone that was too stupid and only changed the oil every 10,000 miles like they did on their 70's firechicken.
I'm partial to the 1st Gens, not wild about the 2nd Gens and would perfer a 3rd Gen over the 2nds. I'd like to take a RX-8 for a test drive sometime. If and when Mazda produces another 2 seat pure sports car it doent matter if they call it a RX-7, RX-9 or something else. They should just do it (my opinion). The original appeal of the RX-7 in 79 was a pure sports car at an affordable price. I'd bet theres a market for a sports car between $25-$35k.
03-21-05, 09:19 PM
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Anyone seen the Red Vs. Blue "Internet vs. Real Life" cartoon?
"I hate you! You should die! Die and go to hell!"
"Oh yea? Well I hope you get raped! TWICE! Then maybe you'll feel differently!"
Thats how this thread sounds.
"I hate you! You should die! Die and go to hell!"
"Oh yea? Well I hope you get raped! TWICE! Then maybe you'll feel differently!"
Thats how this thread sounds.
03-21-05, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pjr
Nah... if they kept bringing the 3rd gen to North America, Mazda would have been hit with class action lawsuits. Too many engine fires, too many blown engines. They kept it out of North America to protect the brand, to protect the soul.
03-22-05, 08:10 AM
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What I meant by that statement was that Ford couldn't give a rat's *** about the rotary engine (ie: Mazda's "soul") in the 3rd gen or any other rotary-powered car that Mazda ever intends to build. If the rocket scientists at Ford really thought that the rotary was in low demand and would have a negative effect on their bottom line they'd do everything in their power to mothball it. But they obviously either a) know better, b) don't have final say in the matter even though they own a substantial chunk of Mazda or c) all of the above.
They increased ownership of Mazda from 25% to 33%, and took greater management control. Thy helped Mazda by installing diciplines in their processes for managing the company and the product development cycle. You guys got to understand that building a single car model is at least a BILLION dollar investment, and often much more.... a vehicle has to have some margins to recoup that investment and then pay back something to the people who own the company (how many people here would buy stock in a company that offers no returns?).
Now, Mazda's sales are increasing, the company is profitable, its dealer network is expanding for the fist time in damn near a generation, and the rotary engine in once again sold in a vehicle destined for north america. In fact, many of Mazda's products are the basis for Ford products (Mazda 6 to Fusion/Milan/Zephyr, and Escape is based on a madza platform as well). Even their development processes are now being adopted at Ford.
I don't think anyone at Ford has quelched anything to do with Mazda's soul. The Mazda brand is geared to offer fun, light, sporty vehicles. Ford is encouraging that type of product from the Miata and the 8, right through their minivan, for God's sakes! Anyone here drive a Tribute or Escape? Got one for the wife... an awesome vehicle! The only SUV I'd own, as it is fun and nimble, words not generally associated with SUVs. They could have killed the Miata, MazSpeed, the RX-7, but the emphasis is on putting sports in the car, not to take it out. I think Mazda is a brand that all of us really can appreciate.
Ford didn't want the rotary back in North America until it could work as a reliable product (ask Audi people about the negative effects of a major PR reliability fiasco). In my opinion, the 3rd gen is a super niche enthuasiast vehicle, but is a disaster from a consumer product perspective. Go look at 3rd gens for sale on ebay... I'll bet that 90% list "new engine" in the ad, even if the car only has 70,000 miles on the odo. That is sad. It appears that the Renesis will perform much better, and that will the product stay on the market for the long term.
03-22-05, 09:04 AM
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Where is this thread getting us? I thought this forum was about the joys and frustratuions of gen 1 RX-7, not some petty insults on matters which are all irrelevant.
03-22-05, 09:17 AM
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I wonder what Manntis knows that we don't.. On the website this can be found:
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Mazda confirms new RX-7
Joe Bakaj (Product development) says the lightweight performer will be positioned above the RX-8, so expect to pay a price premium. It won't be the simple, barebones car the X605 (SA/FB) was, but then it isn't 1978 either. The two-door coupe will use the RX-8’s rotary engine. In current form the RENESIS develops between 189bhp and 228bhp, but Mazda is hoping to get more power from it in the future.
Mr. Bakaj has given no timescale on this project, but has said it is looking at the possibility of turbocharging or supercharging the engine to get more from it. As Rotorhead readers know, Mazdaspeed has been working on a supercharged RENESIS already, with a testbed RX-8 seen on the track.
Joe Bakaj (Product development) says the lightweight performer will be positioned above the RX-8, so expect to pay a price premium. It won't be the simple, barebones car the X605 (SA/FB) was, but then it isn't 1978 either. The two-door coupe will use the RX-8’s rotary engine. In current form the RENESIS develops between 189bhp and 228bhp, but Mazda is hoping to get more power from it in the future.
Mr. Bakaj has given no timescale on this project, but has said it is looking at the possibility of turbocharging or supercharging the engine to get more from it. As Rotorhead readers know, Mazdaspeed has been working on a supercharged RENESIS already, with a testbed RX-8 seen on the track.
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Originally Posted by comradegiant
Anyone seen the Red Vs. Blue "Internet vs. Real Life" cartoon?
"I hate you! You should die! Die and go to hell!"
"Oh yea? Well I hope you get raped! TWICE! Then maybe you'll feel differently!"
Thats how this thread sounds.
"I hate you! You should die! Die and go to hell!"
"Oh yea? Well I hope you get raped! TWICE! Then maybe you'll feel differently!"
Thats how this thread sounds.
03-22-05, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pjr
I'm not a Ford engineer or manager, but I do work in the auto industry, so I think I can offer some perspective here. What Ford DID know was that Mazda was bleeding red ink, not due to poor capabilities or engineering, but poor processes. Without Ford intervention, Mazda probably would have failed as a company or would have been bought out.
They increased ownership of Mazda from 25% to 33%, and took greater management control. Thy helped Mazda by installing diciplines in their processes for managing the company and the product development cycle. You guys got to understand that building a single car model is at least a BILLION dollar investment, and often much more.... a vehicle has to have some margins to recoup that investment and then pay back something to the people who own the company (how many people here would buy stock in a company that offers no returns?).
Now, Mazda's sales are increasing, the company is profitable, its dealer network is expanding for the fist time in damn near a generation, and the rotary engine in once again sold in a vehicle destined for north america. In fact, many of Mazda's products are the basis for Ford products (Mazda 6 to Fusion/Milan/Zephyr, and Escape is based on a madza platform as well). Even their development processes are now being adopted at Ford.
I don't think anyone at Ford has quelched anything to do with Mazda's soul. The Mazda brand is geared to offer fun, light, sporty vehicles. Ford is encouraging that type of product from the Miata and the 8, right through their minivan, for God's sakes! Anyone here drive a Tribute or Escape? Got one for the wife... an awesome vehicle! The only SUV I'd own, as it is fun and nimble, words not generally associated with SUVs. They could have killed the Miata, MazSpeed, the RX-7, but the emphasis is on putting sports in the car, not to take it out. I think Mazda is a brand that all of us really can appreciate.
Ford didn't want the rotary back in North America until it could work as a reliable product (ask Audi people about the negative effects of a major PR reliability fiasco). In my opinion, the 3rd gen is a super niche enthuasiast vehicle, but is a disaster from a consumer product perspective. Go look at 3rd gens for sale on ebay... I'll bet that 90% list "new engine" in the ad, even if the car only has 70,000 miles on the odo. That is sad. It appears that the Renesis will perform much better, and that will the product stay on the market for the long term.
They increased ownership of Mazda from 25% to 33%, and took greater management control. Thy helped Mazda by installing diciplines in their processes for managing the company and the product development cycle. You guys got to understand that building a single car model is at least a BILLION dollar investment, and often much more.... a vehicle has to have some margins to recoup that investment and then pay back something to the people who own the company (how many people here would buy stock in a company that offers no returns?).
Now, Mazda's sales are increasing, the company is profitable, its dealer network is expanding for the fist time in damn near a generation, and the rotary engine in once again sold in a vehicle destined for north america. In fact, many of Mazda's products are the basis for Ford products (Mazda 6 to Fusion/Milan/Zephyr, and Escape is based on a madza platform as well). Even their development processes are now being adopted at Ford.
I don't think anyone at Ford has quelched anything to do with Mazda's soul. The Mazda brand is geared to offer fun, light, sporty vehicles. Ford is encouraging that type of product from the Miata and the 8, right through their minivan, for God's sakes! Anyone here drive a Tribute or Escape? Got one for the wife... an awesome vehicle! The only SUV I'd own, as it is fun and nimble, words not generally associated with SUVs. They could have killed the Miata, MazSpeed, the RX-7, but the emphasis is on putting sports in the car, not to take it out. I think Mazda is a brand that all of us really can appreciate.
Ford didn't want the rotary back in North America until it could work as a reliable product (ask Audi people about the negative effects of a major PR reliability fiasco). In my opinion, the 3rd gen is a super niche enthuasiast vehicle, but is a disaster from a consumer product perspective. Go look at 3rd gens for sale on ebay... I'll bet that 90% list "new engine" in the ad, even if the car only has 70,000 miles on the odo. That is sad. It appears that the Renesis will perform much better, and that will the product stay on the market for the long term.
I didn't mean to imply Ford was evil in it's intentions with Mazda. They did what they had to do to save the company.
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Originally Posted by Tom
I wonder what Manntis knows that we don't.. On the website this can be found:
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Manntis is knowledgeable...
03-22-05, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by smnc
Yup... I mentioned that back on the first page of this thread...
Manntis is knowledgeable...
Manntis is knowledgeable...
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I appologise for allowing myself to be dragged down into a flame war.
Of course everyone is entitled to thier own opinion.
My opinion is simply that the RX-8 is selling just fine, and that Mazda truly belives in the rotary engine, and will continue to do so as long as it is financially viable for them to do so.
Of course everyone is entitled to thier own opinion.
My opinion is simply that the RX-8 is selling just fine, and that Mazda truly belives in the rotary engine, and will continue to do so as long as it is financially viable for them to do so.
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Originally Posted by Tom
Reading comprehension IS a valuable skill.. Maybe I better hone up on it!
At wok last week I went a litle dyslexic, and reversed an order. I have 14 cases of somthing I oly needed 1 of, and 1 case of what I needed 14 cases of...
My boss loved that...
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While I cannot say how well the RX-8 is selling around here, I can state what I saw over the weekend.
I went to the area road racing course, and I (of course) drove my 83 RX-7. While there, I saw 3 other 1st gen's and 2 2nd gen's. These were all hauled to the track, and used exclusively for the track. Which means I was the only person to actually drive an RX-7 to the track. I was not, however, the only person to drive a Rotary powered car to the track, as there were 4 RX-8's parked in various pit areas used by the Spec Miata crowd.
Therefore, I can safely say that the RX-8 must be selling in fair numbers, for there was a decent collection in one location, and they actually outnumbered street legal RX-7's 4 to 1.
Heck, even my insurance lady has an RX-8, because, as she said "we couldn't find a good RX-7, at a decent price".
I went to the area road racing course, and I (of course) drove my 83 RX-7. While there, I saw 3 other 1st gen's and 2 2nd gen's. These were all hauled to the track, and used exclusively for the track. Which means I was the only person to actually drive an RX-7 to the track. I was not, however, the only person to drive a Rotary powered car to the track, as there were 4 RX-8's parked in various pit areas used by the Spec Miata crowd.
Therefore, I can safely say that the RX-8 must be selling in fair numbers, for there was a decent collection in one location, and they actually outnumbered street legal RX-7's 4 to 1.
Heck, even my insurance lady has an RX-8, because, as she said "we couldn't find a good RX-7, at a decent price".
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If you guys only knew on the future of RXs... 
I love internet specualtion and all of its insiders and knowledge base.
Ford and Mazda do share knowledge on R&D.... Ford has a presence at the Mazda R&D Center in California, and both companies share knowlegde bases for product development... they have seemed to have been able to play to each others strengths and make both companies better...
Stay tuned, Rotary Power is still looking good at Mazda!!
-Bern
I love internet specualtion and all of its insiders and knowledge base.
Ford and Mazda do share knowledge on R&D.... Ford has a presence at the Mazda R&D Center in California, and both companies share knowlegde bases for product development... they have seemed to have been able to play to each others strengths and make both companies better...
Stay tuned, Rotary Power is still looking good at Mazda!!
-Bern