It's official, 2006 model Rx-7 is coming!!
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Maybe you should talk to D'Arcy moe often. He has rumours about a new RX-7 on Rotorhead.ca...
Originally Posted by MosesX605
Oh for petes sake!
That's the same freaking article that someone digs up every couple months or so and passes off as new information.
Read my lips:
THERE IS NO NEW RX-7. MAZDA CANNOT KEEP UP WITH ROTARY PRODUCTION AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE RX-8! NO SHOW CAR HAS BEEN REVEALED! A RX-7 IS NOT IN THE WORKS AT MAZDA AT ALL!
Jesus. We should have a ******* sticky at the top of every forum.
That's the same freaking article that someone digs up every couple months or so and passes off as new information.
Read my lips:
THERE IS NO NEW RX-7. MAZDA CANNOT KEEP UP WITH ROTARY PRODUCTION AS IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE RX-8! NO SHOW CAR HAS BEEN REVEALED! A RX-7 IS NOT IN THE WORKS AT MAZDA AT ALL!
Jesus. We should have a ******* sticky at the top of every forum.
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Originally Posted by 84-7GSL
Dealerships in my area still have original 04 8z on the lots from when they first came out and they do not have any 05's yet. Sales are not good in my area and I see very very few on the road. Let me ask. Has any of you driven a RX-8?
a) They're all automatic-trans models, or
b) Rednecks in Wisconsin outnumber engineers by a 10:1 ratio.
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
Yes I have driven an RX8, and yes I intend to buy one as financial resources permit. (The house and airplane come first). As for your dealerships not moving them as well as everyone else, either:
a) They're all automatic-trans models, or
b) Rednecks in Wisconsin outnumber engineers by a 10:1 ratio.
a) They're all automatic-trans models, or
b) Rednecks in Wisconsin outnumber engineers by a 10:1 ratio.
The only 8 in my town (10,000 population) is owned by a hairdresser. And the only reason she can ever give me for why she owns an 8 is that her ex boyfriend (on this board sometimes) owned an FD.
closest dealer is 100 miles away though, so can't tell you how many sit on the lot, but I can tell you this, the local ford place can't keep mustangs in stock. All the mexicans are buying the older models like they are are going out of style ( ) and all the yuppies are picking up the '05 GT's to compliment their H2's.
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Originally Posted by hammmy
It wouldn't make sense for Mazda to produce a true rotary sports coupe, when they already have a blase rotary for the mid-life crisis set. In my opinion, the RX-8's ho-hum sales will eventually kill off Mazda's interest in the rotary niche market completely.
Beyind that, Mazda has repeatedly said that the RX-8 is not an RX-7 replacement.
Furthemore, if you believe that Mazda would EVER loose interest in the Rotary, you're better off buying a Honda.
The rotary is the SOUL of the company. The whole modern version of Mazda EXISTS due to the rotary.
If it weren't for Matsuda and his belief of the Wankel's potential, Toyo Kogo would probably have been merged into a division of Toyota or Honda 30 years ago...
Mazda spent over 10 years of development to make the rotary viable. and produce the original Cosmo.
Mazda engineers spent hundreds of hours of thier own time working on the RENESIS in the years after Ford bought the company and declared rotary development halted. It took years of effort of the part of Mazda to convince Ford to let them produce the RX-8. And sources within Mazda have always maintained that the goal of the '8 is to renew enough interest in the RX line to allow the company to justfy a next gen RX-7.
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Originally Posted by Supper
The only 8 in my town (10,000 population) is owned by a hairdresser. And the only reason she can ever give me for why she owns an 8 is that her ex boyfriend (on this board sometimes) owned an FD.
closest dealer is 100 miles away though, so can't tell you how many sit on the lot, but I can tell you this, the local ford place can't keep mustangs in stock. All the mexicans are buying the older models like they are are going out of style ( ) and all the yuppies are picking up the '05 GT's to compliment their H2's.
And at least 8 more in the two neighbouring towns of ~40,000 each...
And we're well outside the City...
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Originally Posted by smnc
I live in a town of only 4,000 and we have two RX-8's.
And at least 8 more in the two neighbouring towns of ~40,000 each...
And we're well outside the City...
And at least 8 more in the two neighbouring towns of ~40,000 each...
And we're well outside the City...
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Originally Posted by smnc
Aound here RX-8s are flying out of showrooms...
Beyind that, Mazda has repeatedly said that the RX-8 is not an RX-7 replacement.
Furthemore, if you believe that Mazda would EVER loose interest in the Rotary, you're better off buying a Honda.
The rotary is the SOUL of the company. The whole modern version of Mazda EXISTS due to the rotary.
If it weren't for Matsuda and his belief of the Wankel's potential, Toyo Kogo would probably have been merged into a division of Toyota or Honda 30 years ago...
Mazda spent over 10 years of development to make the rotary viable. and produce the original Cosmo.
Mazda engineers spent hundreds of hours of thier own time working on the RENESIS in the years after Ford bought the company and declared rotary development halted. It took years of effort of the part of Mazda to convince Ford to let them produce the RX-8. And sources within Mazda have always maintained that the goal of the '8 is to renew enough interest in the RX line to allow the company to justfy a next gen RX-7.
Beyind that, Mazda has repeatedly said that the RX-8 is not an RX-7 replacement.
Furthemore, if you believe that Mazda would EVER loose interest in the Rotary, you're better off buying a Honda.
The rotary is the SOUL of the company. The whole modern version of Mazda EXISTS due to the rotary.
If it weren't for Matsuda and his belief of the Wankel's potential, Toyo Kogo would probably have been merged into a division of Toyota or Honda 30 years ago...
Mazda spent over 10 years of development to make the rotary viable. and produce the original Cosmo.
Mazda engineers spent hundreds of hours of thier own time working on the RENESIS in the years after Ford bought the company and declared rotary development halted. It took years of effort of the part of Mazda to convince Ford to let them produce the RX-8. And sources within Mazda have always maintained that the goal of the '8 is to renew enough interest in the RX line to allow the company to justfy a next gen RX-7.
Seeing as I'm not, I'll stick with my 7s. This heart and soul of Mazda you speak of is ephemeral bullshit. If you want to point to any Mazda product as the "soul" of the company, you'd better point to the GLC or 323, as without them they'd have been just another Daihatsu-like footnote in history.
-dave
P.S. According to this Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acton,_Ontario), Acton, Ontario has a grand total of 7,767 citizens. How many showrooms and RX-8s can that population support, I wonder?
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Originally Posted by hammmy
If I could ever accept a FWD, I'd be well advised to buy a vehicle that produces 240HP and makes 30MPG.
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Originally Posted by hammmy
. . . Seeing as I'm not [interested in fuel economy], I'll stick with my 7s.
As for the figures I used, they could be wrong. The mechanical engineer I bought my latest 7 from had bought a new Accord (IIRC; wasn't really paying attention) to "replace" his 7. He happened to mention those figures in regards to being mystified at what Honda could do with performance and economy. Perhaps he said 204HP, and I misheard him.
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A 240hp flywheel ouput, 30mpg RX-7 is possible. I cruise at 65-70, 3000rpm, for 6 hours on a rural road and get 30mpg. The consumption figure is accurate as I drive exactly 660km to the fuel depot, then on another 300-500km to my destination. Based on rwhp I can get 240hp flywheel at 6500rpm, but rarely go over 4000rpm on the road.
A replacement RX-7 coming? I very much doubt it. If I was to buy another sports car I would think seriously about the new MX-5 inspite of no rotary.
A replacement RX-7 coming? I very much doubt it. If I was to buy another sports car I would think seriously about the new MX-5 inspite of no rotary.
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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
I was at the Ottawa-Gatineau international auto show yesterday. The Mazda rep confirmed that they ARE planning a 4th Gen Rx7. Not many details released yet. They said 4 years, so 2008. One rep thought N/A, the other thought TT.
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Oh and do me a favor jon, DON'T EDIT MY POSTS. I realise you're all enamoured with your new moderape powers, but it was hardly necessary to whip it out just now.
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Originally Posted by hammmy
Seeing as I'm not, I'll stick with my 7s. This heart and soul of Mazda you speak of is ephemeral bullshit. If you want to point to any Mazda product as the "soul" of the company, you'd better point to the GLC or 323, as without them they'd have been just another Daihatsu-like footnote in history.
-dave
P.S. According to this Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acton,_Ontario), Acton, Ontario has a grand total of 7,767 citizens. How many showrooms and RX-8s can that population support, I wonder?
-dave
P.S. According to this Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acton,_Ontario), Acton, Ontario has a grand total of 7,767 citizens. How many showrooms and RX-8s can that population support, I wonder?
We only have one dealeship in town. A Mazda dealership, and as I said, there are at least 2 RX-8's in town.
And you seem to confuse soul with cashflow.
Sure the GLC/323/Protoge/3 is the breadwinner.
No doubt Mazda "needs" the 3 and 6 to surrvive financially, but there is more to the company than that.
Do you honestly belive Mazda expects the RX-8 to sell like the Mustang? Of course not.
I would doubt Mazda even expects the RX-8 to make as much money as the Miata, which is itself a niche car.
Try looking at it this way.
I have a job to make money. I don't go to work for fun. I do it becuase I need money, Some of which I spend on my RX-7.
I don't drive my RX-7 because I have too. I could drive the VW Rabbit instead. I drive my RX-7 because it is fun.
See where I'm going with this?
Mazda makes the 3 to make money, so they can make cars like the RX-8.
If the RX's were all Mazda made, they would have gone the way of Dihatsu. But if they had never made the RX's, they'd be just another Honda wannabe.
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Wow, guess the company was soulless from 1995 up 'till the release of the RX-8. Gosh, what in the world would a corporation do without it's soul? Probably just try to make as much money as possible, like every other fricking company.
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Well there weren't any personel of the design team to speak with at Mazda R&D yesterday about plans for a new RX-7 (not like they would disclose anything), but I got to have lunch with the 1979 24 Hours of Daytona GTU class champion
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Originally Posted by MosesX605
Oh and do me a favor jon, DON'T EDIT MY POSTS. I realise you're all enamoured with your new moderape powers, but it was hardly necessary to whip it out just now.
I agree that Mazda reps probably don't know a hell of a lot, but the more different places I hear talk about the new 7, the more I hope it's true.
Jon
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Originally Posted by 84-7GSL
Hey Aviator...What does rednecks in Wisconsin and engineers got to do with the whole RX-8 thing? I would like to know which one you think I am.
Typical "Redneck" = "If it ain't got no V8, it ain't no good. Them there Wankel motors are no good cuz they're May-ud in Jer-pay-un!"
Not sure which one you are.
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
Typical "Redneck" = "If it ain't got no V8, it ain't no good. Them there Wankel motors are no good cuz they're May-ud in Jer-pay-un!"
so many here in this region that are that way.
One guy, in the middle of the conversation about cars, in response to me saying I own an RX-7 said "Oh... I'm sorry, that has to be the worst car ever produced." and this was coming from a hillbilly that thinks his Trans-AM is the coolest **** ever.
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I can't understand why there is so much hate for the new rx7, if there is going to be one. I think people like MosesX605 ruin the fun of wondering. He would be the guy who said, "there won't be any other engine than piston engine," when the rotary was under development.
Anyway, I spoke to many Mazda folks, and they confirmed that the 4th generation Rx-7 will be produced based on how well the Rx-8 sells (This was back in 04). The Rx-8 has a waiting list. You can't just go to the dealership (most dealerships) and pick one up.
Oh, and someone said something about the would not use the Rx-7 name again. Why would you say that? They ran the R100, Rx2, Rx3 all together in one production line in the 70s. They made new R100s when they were making new Rx3's. They are just names. The Rx-8 is not a replacement for the Rx-7, just as the Mazda Mx6 was not a replacement for the Mazda 626. They are 2 completely different cars. The Rx-8 is a sporty family sedan, while the Rx-7 is a pure sports car. And you better believe that Mazda will have a pure sports car in production to compete with the new Supra, Skyline, and NSX, all of which are confirmed to be released.
Anyway, I spoke to many Mazda folks, and they confirmed that the 4th generation Rx-7 will be produced based on how well the Rx-8 sells (This was back in 04). The Rx-8 has a waiting list. You can't just go to the dealership (most dealerships) and pick one up.
Oh, and someone said something about the would not use the Rx-7 name again. Why would you say that? They ran the R100, Rx2, Rx3 all together in one production line in the 70s. They made new R100s when they were making new Rx3's. They are just names. The Rx-8 is not a replacement for the Rx-7, just as the Mazda Mx6 was not a replacement for the Mazda 626. They are 2 completely different cars. The Rx-8 is a sporty family sedan, while the Rx-7 is a pure sports car. And you better believe that Mazda will have a pure sports car in production to compete with the new Supra, Skyline, and NSX, all of which are confirmed to be released.
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[QUOTE=shm21284]
Oh, and someone said something about the would not use the Rx-7 name again. Why would you say that? [QUOTE]
Yeah, that was me.
What I meant by that statement was that even though Mazda will (hopefully) build another rotary-powered two-seat all-out sports car again, the fact that they refer to this prospect as an "RX7 replacement" rather than an "RX7", combined with the fact that they've so far never re-introduced any other RX#'s once dropped from production points to Mazda not calling it an RX7. It's possible, but considering the track record not likely.
Oh, and someone said something about the would not use the Rx-7 name again. Why would you say that? [QUOTE]
Yeah, that was me.
What I meant by that statement was that even though Mazda will (hopefully) build another rotary-powered two-seat all-out sports car again, the fact that they refer to this prospect as an "RX7 replacement" rather than an "RX7", combined with the fact that they've so far never re-introduced any other RX#'s once dropped from production points to Mazda not calling it an RX7. It's possible, but considering the track record not likely.
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Originally Posted by Supper
so many here in this region that are that way.
One guy, in the middle of the conversation about cars, in response to me saying I own an RX-7 said "Oh... I'm sorry, that has to be the worst car ever produced." and this was coming from a hillbilly that thinks his Trans-AM is the coolest **** ever.
It wasn't my intent to slam any region in particular. We certainly have a few of these buffoons here, and they tend to scare some people out of buying Mustangs lest they become stereotyped. Too bad, because the new Mustangs are the first ones Ford has built since 1968 that I'd give three thumbs up to if I were the birth-defected result of one of the above such unions.
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Originally Posted by hammmy
Wow, guess the company was soulless from 1995 up 'till the release of the RX-8. Gosh, what in the world would a corporation do without it's soul? Probably just try to make as much money as possible, like every other fricking company.
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Mazda DIDN'T STOP MAKING RX-7's in 1995.
They only stopped shipping them to North America...
And hey, I never said they aren't out to make money. I only said that there was more to the company than that.
Maybe you have trouble with simple concepts, but since they were LOSING MONEY and hurting thier repuation with the 3rd gen in NA, it kinda made sense to stop shipping them here.
As I said before, they have to make money before they can make RX's.
Othrewise they'd be bankrupt and we wouldn't have Mazda anymoe.
If they really don't belive in the Rotary, then can you please explain the RX-8 to me?
Why did Mazda spend all that extra cash and time developing the RENESIS? Why didn't they just make a boinger powered sports car?
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Originally Posted by Lee Lyons
even the ugly duckling would disown a car looking like that if it was his little brother!!...that car is nasty ugly!! I'd take an FD anyday over that!!
And so it is with the RX8. This car will never be in the same sleek looks category as 3rd gen RX7s, Ferraris and NSXs. Then again, it was never meant to be in that group. But it certainly eclipses other so-called sports/GT cars with four doors that are aimed at married folks in the 30-to-45 age bracket. And it has a rotary, which is all that counts to those of us who know these engines.
The RX8 is not ugly by most people's standards. "Ugly" would be something like a Pontiac Aztec or 2005 Chev Malibu. The RX3 and RX5 Cosmo were 2-door coupes that didn't qualify as sports cars in the strict sense of the term. They "looked" more like sporty ****-boxes. But nobody calls them ugly, even though they're nowhere near as sleek as the RX8. Rather, they are referred to as "old school" and "classic."
What amazes me are those guys who won't drive an RX8 because they think it's ugly, but they will drive a 2nd gen RX7. 2nd gens aren't necessarily ugly, but the RX8 has them beat in every department, including looks.