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Old 10-23-03 | 08:20 AM
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It's either i spend roughly the same to rebuild and street port my motor (~$400 to rebuild ~$150 for another transmission [synchros are totally shot]) to have ~190hp or drop in a 302 and have ~250hp, (~$400 for the engine and tranny combination and another ~$500+ to get it to work) I can then later rebuild my 13b for $400 with a Street-Port to sell for ~$900. I'm going to be spending roughly the same amount total either way, why not have the extra 60hp? The choice is obvious.
and how much do you have now?

I will still take the suspension stuff, for tommorow when you decide to part the car.
Old 10-23-03 | 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by MIKE-P-28
I will still take the suspension stuff, for tommorow when you decide to part the car.
Old 10-23-03 | 09:51 AM
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It all boils down to this: The Mazda RX-7 is what it is, for one reason. The engine. It is the first sportscar ever to have a rotary engine, not to mention one that outperforms others.
Yeh, just *ignore* the Cosmo 110S, which was Mazda's first production rotary, the world's first production two-rotor, and *Mazda's* first rotary powered sports car. I emphasize Mazda's because the world's first production rotary powered car was the NSU Wankel Spyder... which also was a sports car.


When you take the rotary engine out of an RX-7, you have voided it's exisitence as an rx-7.
So what you are saying is, is that the RX-7 is a pile of **** whose only value is that it is rotary engined. Nice. Why don't you just get a half-running 10A and throw it into some heinous automobile, let's see, today's automobile of the day is Plymouth Fire Arrow. It'll suck to drive and look ugly as all hell and go 0 to 50 in two hours but it's a rotary powered car and that is all that matters right?

Ignorant about V8s? Hell most people here are ignorant about *rotaries* as well.
Old 10-23-03 | 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by MIKE-P-28
and how much do you have now?

I will still take the suspension stuff, for tommorow when you decide to part the car.
I have two cars to sell, i have my Camaro sold this week for $1,250 to buy a daily driver and a Cadillac to sell for $1,500, all of which will be put towards swapping a V-8. I don't see where everyone is getting the idea i change my mind alot, i changed it from parting it because no one was buying my parts to keeping it. I changed it from a vert because everyone was telling me the risks involved so i decided against that.
Old 10-23-03 | 11:15 AM
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Hey I was thinking about putting a pistin engine in my 2nd rex. You should try a small block 400. Theres some power and will fit no problem.
Old 10-23-03 | 11:21 AM
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Well my young friend,,re-read some of your post's and like you even said ' sometimes you can't see it, even if it's right in front of you' and if you think that you plan stuff in advance you need a new planning dept. keep the camero,sell the caddie,and sell mike the -SE,,,,un-cut
that is. If you could only hear yourself. hate me now, but you'll thank me later. What you really need to do is spend alot more time around car guys , find the hang-outs and see IF you fit in, if you don't you'll know it.
What ever your studying in school, stick with that field
at least untill you get more car time under your belt. IMO
Old 10-23-03 | 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by O 16581 72452 5
...not only would i have to worry about the car folding like a taco, but also have to worry about it twisting like a burrito.
Or rolling it like a taquito.

Hey! You could paint it guacamole green!
Old 10-23-03 | 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by TEAM GO FAST
Well my young friend,,re-read some of your post's and like you even said ' sometimes you can't see it, even if it's right in front of you' and if you think that you plan stuff in advance you need a new planning dept. keep the camero,sell the caddie,and sell mike the -SE,,,,un-cut
that is. If you could only hear yourself. hate me now, but you'll thank me later. What you really need to do is spend alot more time around car guys , find the hang-outs and see IF you fit in, if you don't you'll know it.
What ever your studying in school, stick with that field
at least untill you get more car time under your belt. IMO
Alot of problems are popping up in the Camaro and i don't want to deal with them. It's a base model 305, nothing worth fixing. All i do is spend time around car guys, but they're not rotary purests, they talked me into the swap.
Old 10-23-03 | 01:19 PM
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Just buy the honda LOL jk sorta...........
Old 10-23-03 | 01:48 PM
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what happened to the bumper air dam thing agin? focus focus focus. good choice about not cutting up the rx. the number of ideas you ask about are making you sound like the little boy that cried wolf. do not stop asking though its fun to read some of the responces.
Old 10-23-03 | 01:56 PM
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I messed the airdam mold up, i didn't mix in hardener assuming i didn't have to with the resin i was using...i'm still waiting for it to dry 2 months after i started.
Old 10-23-03 | 02:07 PM
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So, your a sucker and the reason you change your mind so often is because of the people you hang around ??
They plant the seed, and watch if you'll go through with the idea ?? Besides the rotory,, the car itself is just a car. you don't want to deal with the camero because ???
you don't know how ?? 305 or rotory, you going to have to deal with one either way. It seems to me that you bought the 7, fucked it up,,,,fast. and now don't know
what to do with your broken car. you feel the need to at least try to come up with some kind of project for the 7.
but you don't have the know-how and resourses to carry out your ideas. You say you can get alot of V8's,
well,,,,,, 350 4 bolt the camero, or 327, or build a stroker
chevy stuff is everywhere a cheap too. That way when you crash you've got more car around you to protect you. Sorry but people who can't make a choice kill me.
It's not what everybody wants you to do, it's what YOU can and what to do....stay in school and study,.. cool ?
Don't be in such a hurry,,, you'll get there. oh,, and have a good B-day. Thats why you read and follow directions,,, 2 months later it's still not dry,,,Lol WTF !!

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Old 10-23-03 | 02:16 PM
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As a friend just said to your last post.

"Magus DS: why they want you to build the camaro
Magus DS: its junk"
Old 10-23-03 | 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by O 16581 72452 5
I have two cars to sell, i have my Camaro sold this week for $1,250 to buy a daily driver and a Cadillac to sell for $1,500, all of which will be put towards swapping a V-8. I don't see where everyone is getting the idea i change my mind alot, i changed it from parting it because no one was buying my parts to keeping it. I changed it from a vert because everyone was telling me the risks involved so i decided against that.
didnt you need like $900 or something for another car, wasnt that the real reason you were gonna part the beloved 7? im sorry man, I just dont beleive ya. See I used to installcar stereo professionally, and 1/2 my clients were kids, Im used to this kinda thing, and I could be a teacher of it, I had it played on me enough. At any rate, Im finished with it.
Old 10-23-03 | 02:46 PM
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Yes, that's why i was parting the Rx-7, my mother wouldn't let me sell my Camaro or Cadillac because technically they were her cars. I finally talked her into letting me sell both of them and keep the money. The Rx-7 was my only hope at the time for money because i paid for it with my own money and was titled in my name.
Old 10-23-03 | 03:58 PM
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So you do realize that the v8 swap won't cost the same, as doing up your rotary? Because with the v8 swap you are gonna need to fabricate a lot. carbed or fuel injected? Bank on a entirely new fuel system, probally a new rear end, and your front suspension wont handle that much extra weight and still work correctly. In fact you sound like the kids back home who put $2000.00 into subwoofers, and buy crappy decks, and use horrid speakers for their mids and highs. But if you do wonderously pull off your v8 swap bring the car up and I'll toast you in the firebird. If you are trying to do a v8 swap and not end up driving a front heavy monster, you are gonna have to get a LS1. They weigh a little over 400 lb's but you are gonna shell out $5,000 for a crate motor with the computer. Why don't you just get yourself a nice civic and put one of those chrome plated coffee cans for a tailpipe, and pretend all those stickers give you extra horsepower. Do us all a favor.
Old 10-23-03 | 04:17 PM
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What about your whole plan to make a body kit?
Old 10-23-03 | 09:37 PM
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I just stated what was up with the body kit. It's going to be an EFI motor, i talked to a friend of mine about the swap (huge ford gearhead), he'll sell me a 302 in perfect running condition, ECU and harness for $300-400, i believe he'll also throw in a few other odds and ends that he has that i can use. I never had plans of producing a whole body kit, that's just what people wanted me to do, i'll worry about producing my current airdam when i need the extra money to complete the swap. I know what's involved with this, i'm not the idiot you people seem to take me for.
Old 10-23-03 | 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by O 16581 72452 5
I just stated what was up with the body kit. It's going to be an EFI motor, i talked to a friend of mine about the swap (huge ford gearhead), he'll sell me a 302 in perfect running condition, ECU and harness for $300-400, i believe he'll also throw in a few other odds and ends that he has that i can use. I never had plans of producing a whole body kit, that's just what people wanted me to do, i'll worry about producing my current airdam when i need the extra money to complete the swap. I know what's involved with this, i'm not the idiot you people seem to take me for.
hehe im just jokin, good luck with your swap.
Old 10-23-03 | 10:14 PM
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yea, good luck. Sounds like a total electrical nightmare. Hope you kick *** with a soldering iron and heat shrink tubeing. I hope you research this for at least a full year and learn all that you can about how to read schematics, diagrams, and work a tube flaring tool like a madman. And I hope that someone can do your new front suspension for you. Though because you want EFI you really will need a whole new fuel system. Though I'm gonna tell you not to supercharge it, because I don't think you know enough about forced induction systems. Though if you do you'd better get a screw type blower for the simple fact that it creates less heat. And in search of power heat is your enemy But a blown fuel injected v8 really sounds way way over your head. But good luck, if you can ever make up your mind.
Old 10-23-03 | 10:28 PM
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I don't plan on putting a blower on it, why would i need someone to do my front suspension for me? do you think i'm too stupid to install stiffer springs? It's not going to be very in depth with wiring, i brought that up when my friend was talking about swapping in an FI motor, he said it won't be near as hard as i thought it would be. A new fuel system isn't a big deal widnerkj, you make it out to be that way.
Old 10-23-03 | 10:41 PM
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yea, good luck. Sounds like a total electrical nightmare. Hope you kick *** with a soldering iron and heat shrink tubeing. I hope you research this for at least a full year and learn all that you can about how to read schematics, diagrams, and work a tube flaring tool like a madman. And I hope that someone can do your new front suspension for you. Though because you want EFI you really will need a whole new fuel system. Though I'm gonna tell you not to supercharge it, because I don't think you know enough about forced induction systems. Though if you do you'd better get a screw type blower for the simple fact that it creates less heat. And in search of power heat is your enemy But a blown fuel injected v8 really sounds way way over your head. But good luck, if you can ever make up your mind.
I can vouch for an EFI electrical nightmare.
Old 10-24-03 | 08:41 AM
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351 Cleveland? Like i'd ever be able to find one of those, let alone purchase one. I do want to stick with a Ford motor though.
But isnt a 351 a ford motor anyway ??

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The Ford 351

Ford offered two versions of the 351 engine, a Windsor 351 and a Cleveland 351. The Windsor motor is considered a small block. The Cleveland 351 is between a small block and a big block. Even though the Cleveland 351 came from the small block family, few parts will interchange.
Old 10-24-03 | 11:18 AM
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If I was going to do a small block v8 into a small car, I'd run a chevy 350. (personally) the aftermarket is endless, plus the 350's are smaller than a ford 302 in all dimensions by a minimum of an inch, and the oil sump is on the rear of the pan, so steering clearance is so much easier. I was thinking about a LS1 in my miata for a while, but I like that car just the way it is, so I took that money and did a 383 kit to the lt1 in the firebird, bought an ATI procharger running at 12psi, and had the trans built to handle it.
Old 10-24-03 | 11:22 AM
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A 351C is a ford engine, yes. A rare, expensive-to-build-nowadays-in-comparison-to-a-351W-of-the-same-power engine.

Actually there are four 351's... 351W, 351C, 351M (400 with a 351W crank, 400 being a heavy tall-deck 351C) and the 351K. 351K? The 351W only ran from until '76 or thereabouts. True 351W's have 16 bolt intake manifolds and their own special head castings. (221-302 had 12-bolt intakes.) Starting in '77 or so to the end of the production run, 351W's used 302 heads for commonality reasons, and technically these are known as 351K's. Ford still called them 351W for marketing reasons, similar to how Mazda didn't change the name 12A to 12B in '74.

This is not counting the FE-family 352, which has the same 4" bore and 3.5" stroke as the 351W/C/M/K.


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