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Old 03-30-06, 07:00 PM
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man that guy needs to calm down. i got alot of flaming and such when i first joined, but i didn't take it like that. i was nice and didn't send rude pms. geez, that guys wound a bit tight haha.

i think you handled the situation great. alot better than i probably would have haha
Old 03-30-06, 09:09 PM
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Lots of opinions here, and some I agree with more than others.

We try to make this place as accessible as we can. We have a rules thread, a thread filled with Frequently Asked Questions and an Archive of useful information. We have a search button clearly labeled.

The problem is that when people ask the same quesiton over and over and over again, not only do people get tired of answering it, but the search info is diluted.

If a topic has only been covered a dozen times, it's much easier to sift through the 12 posts to find what you're looking for, especially since the earlier posts are where all the ideas and information come out the most.

But if you search for "spark plugs" in the 1st gen section, or "oil brands" you'll get so many threads that it's hard to figure stuff out. That's why we try to encourage new people to read the Rules, read the FAQ, search the archive, and then search the main section. It prevents "junk" threads from accumulating too much and makes the forum easier to search and more accessible for everyone.

When I first came here, I spent many hours just reading things in the archive and in the main section. Heck, when I first came here we barely had an archive, we didn't have an FAQ thread and the moderator of this section hadn't logged in in a year. But I still managed to find what I needed. And when I asked a question, it was after I came up with nothing and was posting like:

"I searched under this, this and that, but can't find what I'm looking for. Can someone point me in the right direction" and then someone would give me a term to search for to find an otherwise hard to find thread that had passed, or gave me the link. Then the next time someone searched up "this, this and that" they found the link or the searchword that I was told to use and it was helpful.

Heck, my original "FB, FC, F-me I'm confused" thread is still a staple for newbs around here, and appears in the FAQ and the archive!

I think trochoid's post was about the same as a post I would make, and don't consider it "too far". The guy is obviously too immature to deal with this kind of environment. His friend managed to get past that and find out what an amazing resource this place is, but he probably read the rules first.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm a bit of an *** sometimes, but usually it's only when the answer is cleverly hidden in plain sight.

If you guys see threads of questions that are asked very often, do me a favor and take a sec to check if it's in the FAQ or archive. If it is, post the link in that thread (so that next time someone pulls it up in a search, it'll be useful). If it isn't but you know where to find the answer, then post the link to the useful thread and send me a PM so I can *add* it to the FAQ or archive. After giving them the useful info, you can politely remind them of how you found it (in the archive, in the FAQ or searching) and that with a little effort they could have done the same.

Impatient sixteen year olds whose ideas of vehicular "greatness" come from movies like the "fast and the furious" will get frustrated here. When they grow up a little bit and take the time to stop being lazy and expecting to be "spoon-fed" (as trochoid so rightfully put it), they'll find everything they need.

Nobody knows everything, but everybody knows something. It's easier to pull from that knowledge if you know how to be poilte. Plain and simple. I'm more apt to respond to a thread saying "Please help because I searched and found squat" rather than "I'm new here, regurgitate this information for me now because I'm too lazy to look it up myself".

If he doesn't have the head on him to try his own research or ask a *specific* question, then he's gonna have a hard time working with his 7 and is better off buying a Honda. At least then he could buy "kits" and take his car to "mechanics" or "speed shops" and have them spoon feed him his rice for a price.

Jon

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Old 03-30-06, 09:21 PM
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Well said.
Old 03-30-06, 09:47 PM
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Old 03-30-06, 10:08 PM
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i agree with hanman. is it easier be an ****, or just not post at all? anyway, you win some and you lose some. no biggie, trochoid.
Old 03-30-06, 10:19 PM
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lol i like the spoon fed comment

but very well stated
i was new not long ago had big plans this and that lol till i got flamed
but i didnt take it as personal and it actually helped me get set in the right direction so maybe a little flaming helps but not direct attacts a flame with direction is better

from then on iv had nothin but help great info and awsome ideas learned to actually research and figure problems instead of blatin new threds every second lol

so i thank you all and im keen to help people with what iv learnt what goes around comes around
might do a silly post sometimes but hay it wont jump out of the computer and punch you in the face
Old 03-30-06, 10:21 PM
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I know as I get to be here longer, I notice I'm now starting to lose patience with the same question over and over again. I try and remember that I was once there too, and to my best to follow Jon's process (below)

If you guys see threads of questions that are asked very often, do me a favor and take a sec to check if it's in the FAQ or archive. If it is, post the link in that thread (so that next time someone pulls it up in a search, it'll be useful). If it isn't but you know where to find the answer, then post the link to the useful thread and send me a PM so I can *add* it to the FAQ or archive. After giving them the useful info, you can politely remind them of how you found it (in the archive, in the FAQ or searching) and that with a little effort they could have done the same.
I know when I started, I had very little luck searching. If you don't search just the right way, you get either wrong threads, or hundeds of threads. As a result, I read for months before I posted a thing. I must admit when I did post the first few times, I was really worried I was going to get flamed (thankfully I didn't).

Perhaps you were just having a day where your patience was a little bit shorter, and his skin was just a little bit thinner. Also, something we often forget is that things come across very differently in the equivalent of email than the same words in person. Speaking for myself, I have to think out emails very carefully as I have a habit (I'm told) of putting things just not quite the right way. Some people are very sensitive to these nuances.

Another little thing - at least its probably little to most of you. I live out in the country, and highspeed is unavailable (well it is at about $80 a month). Loading a single page takes from 1 - 5 minutes. My best connect is 26,400. The site is painfull, and searching is simply agony.

Trochoid I don't think you were particularly harsh at all. It was probably all the other comments too, and your was the simplest one to direct his anger/embarassment to. You have never been anything but helpful in any of my posts.

I'm quite a bit older than a lot of you (45) so I may have a differring viewpoint than many of you. For you older guys, just remember, we were all young once and thought we knew everything. The truth was we didn't even know what we didn't know! lol

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Old 03-30-06, 10:38 PM
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'Rice for a price'.

Jon, you made my day with that one, I fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.

I want to thank everyone for thier input and for two things in particular. 1. You have been generally civil, and this has been a problem here. Many of you may not know it, butt on the other forums around the world whe are known as 'The Evil Forum' and our responses to this new poster is the biggest reason we have that reputation. This forum will only be as good as the members themselves. If you want a better forum, be a better member, it's that simple. 2. Suggestions for a 'Newbie' section has it's merits. I'm not a tech geek, so I don't know if there is a way to set this up in the software architecture so that new people would be directed to 'The Newb' section. If that is do-able, then members would need to commit to participating in this section for it to work. If the Newb section becomes a reality, I suggest that there be a 'Mission Statement' posted at the beginning of that section to let the new members know what we are all about.

To the 2 older members, sorry I didn't copy your posts or names, that felt they were ignored by the young ricers, I'm older than both of you. Yet most of my car friends are younger than my kids and we get along well. Perhaps the biggest reason for that is I refuse to grow up. The widebody is also a great ice breaker when meeting the younger car guys. I have been a gearhead ever since I opened my first copy of Popular Mechanics and in my heart believe a gearhead is a gearhead, If you meet someone that has no respect for your car or the work you have put into it, then they are not the real thing.

I took the widebody to a local car club meet last fall, on the invitation of a friend of mine. 3 imports, the rest were domestics and some were the finest examples fo gearheadedness I have seen in a long time. My car recieved a lot of attention and praise. Why, because these guys were gearheads and understood, from thier own experience building thier cars, what it took to build mine. Sadly, the same thing cannot be said for some of newer generation of rice boys.
Old 03-30-06, 11:06 PM
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I know I'm a little late in posting seeing how all of this is sorta resolved, but I want to add my $.02. First, despite the few posts I have and my join date I have been reading this forum for 2 ans 1/2 years. The information is astounding and peoples opinions are really humorous(I refuse to take anything too serious). Second, trochoid, no you did not go too far. Hell, from all the reading I have done here, you, rx7carl and vipernicus42 and a bunch of other guys are some of the most knowledgeable about our obsession. Hell,in my last post about a belt problem I was thrilled when I looked at the who did the first reply. Some people just should not post if they are too sensitive to take a little flame. The fire forges a smarter person.
Old 03-30-06, 11:35 PM
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Maybe we need a good example of an "outstanding first post" in the FAQ section (AlextheHipple comes to mind).

I know that when I first came here, this was my very first experience with any type of online forum. Figuring out the proper social rules etc. can be a real challenge sometimes. Some of these guys that are showing up for the first time just need a little education, rather than a firm spanking, to get them headed in the proper direction.

Here is an example of my very first (I believe) post. I don't think that I did too badly with it, but this was after I did a lot of reading and a lot of searching:

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...+full+throttle

Here's a sample so you don't have to open the thread to get the idea:


12A power loss @ full throttle

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I have a '85 with 190,000 miles. Ran great when parked in fall but was flooded this spring. Went through the unflooding steps and got her running again, but now when you floor it she just dies. I can cruise on the freeway at 80, but it takes a long time to get up there. If I give it too much gas it just dies out until I back off again. Seems like its fine as long as the secondaries don't have to open? All vacuum lines to the carb are in place, and motor sounds fine. Any ideas?

Also, after I got it running and found this problem, I replaced the plugs and gave her an oil change. Thanks for your time...

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Old 03-30-06, 11:54 PM
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WHen i first found this forum, I read and read for LONG time before i even thought about posting. i would always do many searches to see if there was something related to my question. Even then i was afraid to post due to getting flamed like this poor guy. Granted my first post wasn't the best, but i am learning a lot just by reading everything possible!! I bet i have logged over 60 hours just to reading before i even thought about posting! Obviously this guy didn't do much reading at all to notice the subtile sense of humor that is found on this forum.. ie "Flux Capasitor" and so forth... For other noobs, they just need to read until they cant' read anymore!! That's just my two cents from being a recent noob.
Old 03-31-06, 12:04 AM
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Ah... Kentetsu, I'm glad you shared that with us.

I see some prime examples of why I'd take time to respond to that.

1. You took the time to describe your car and the problem as thoroughly as you knew how
2. You took a guess at what may be at the cause of the problem "Seems like its fine as long as the secondaries don't have to open?" showing that you've at least done some research or reasoning on the problem.
3. You posted some basic steps you took towards solving the problem "replaced the plugs and gave her an oil change".

And that's just in the snippet you posted here in this thread.

What frustrates me (and others I'm sure) is a lack of information, and an expectation that the perfect and complete answer will magically appear. Especially so if the person keeps bumping a post which people can't really answer due to lack of good info.

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Old 03-31-06, 12:25 AM
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Along with the 'Spoon fed' jab, I've concidered a line something like:

'This is the RX7Club, not the Psychic Friends Network. If you would post more information about your car, we will be able to help you, for free even. If you can't post more info about your car or problem, then please make a $25 PayPal payment to ........com and you will recieve a telepathic reply within 3 days.'

I did reply to a post one time saying, 'If you could be a little less informative, we can be a little less helpfull'. That line cracked a few members up, including the original poster, who took it in good humor and posted the needed information to elicit a solution to his question.
Old 03-31-06, 12:37 AM
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Now IMHO, *those* are pushing it a bit , at least until you know the member well enough to know if he'd take that kind of thing. If you posted that to me, I'd laugh, but I wouldn't DARE post it to a new person.

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Old 03-31-06, 12:56 AM
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I've been there too, I on the other hand, searched the subjects and read the new posts before I even said anything.

I've been razzed and it even happened a coupe weeks ago in the lounge because I forgot to search correctly and made an *** of myself rather quickly.

the noOb just needs to stick it out a little bit.
Old 03-31-06, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by vipernicus42
Now IMHO, *those* are pushing it a bit , at least until you know the member well enough to know if he'd take that kind of thing. If you posted that to me, I'd laugh, but I wouldn't DARE post it to a new person.

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Agreed, that's why I haven't tried the psychic friends line. We need a Karnak smiley for that one. Unfortunately, 80% of the members wouldn't have a clue what it meant.
Old 03-31-06, 07:28 AM
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I understand the frustration with finding the information you're looking for through searching. It's very difficult to find exactly what you want because you usually have to piece several different threads together to come up with the answer you need., and it's difficult for a noob to know what search terms to use.

That being said, I don't think anyone did anything wrong in the original thread...the guy acted quite childish (by the way, I think I'm older than anyone in this thread...almost 51), but what I find surprising is that he is not a 16 year old kid...he's almost 25!

Just my $0.02 (plus, I'm trying to get to 1000 posts )

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Old 03-31-06, 07:32 AM
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So, trochoid, are you saying you are older than me? Damn! I thought I held the title of old fart on this post.

Actually, my comments in this thread were not directed at trochoid, but the general attitude towards new members on this site. Trochoid is right, this forum is referred to as the evil forum on other sites. There is a reason for that.

For me, I rarely post on the first gen section. Simply because I can usually figure out my problems with my first gens. I just bought a third gen, and after hours and hours of reading FAQ's, and old posts, I post once in a while on there. But, the reality is, almost all of the answers can be found in the old posts. So why don't we just make the forum "read only" and not have to worry about those pesky newbies?
Old 03-31-06, 08:32 AM
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Hi Guys.

To me it looks like we have a big bunch of friendly people here.Mr.trochoid : Dont you worry about it,some people are just easilly offended.

Remember my first day here,sheeshh felt like my first day in secondary school.Eeek! Came a long way since then,but yet i still cant type.haha

Cheers

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Old 03-31-06, 09:29 AM
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For the record gentlemen, I am THE old fart in this post, but a Lady never tells her age, it's impolite. And yes I am male, lol.

I wish to thank all of you for your support. I am honestly and truely amazed at the support and thank yous I have recieved in your posts and PM's. It is very gratifying to me when a member acknowledges a contribution I made that helped them out. The funny part is I have gotten so much more out of this forum than I can ever give back, so I spend as much time as I can doing just that.

In a couple of days I mark my 2nd anniversary on the forum as a member, yet I didn't post for nearly 6 months. I read and read and read, and not just here. I spent many days/weeks reading over at NP and Ausrotary.com also. Tried to register down under and thier system rejected my e-mail addy, so here I am, and I feel like I have a home, a lot in part due to support from the members.

I got into the rotary scene 5 years ago when I bought my 1st 7, a 2nd gen, which I still have. I have bought 14 more since then and have been loving it ever since. I have a new rotary purchase in the works, my first non-7, which will remain hush-hush until the sale is completed next month. Another fun project in the works, which I will keep you folks updated on, even if it does belong in the 'Other Rotary' forum.

Again, my thanks, I don;t feel I can say it in enough words to cover it adequately.

As a side note, this member that we pushed away, it might not hurt to PM him and invite him back, politely please. New members are what keep this forum going, even if many of them ask the same rotary ignorant questions. But that is what we are here for, to turn all of them, and us, into rotary gurus and geniuses, so have more patience with the newbs.

Scott. Born in the first half of the last century, and that's all I have to say about that. Age is relative and I am just a big kid at heart.

p.s. to 64mgb, I have been post whoring all week to break 3000 by Sunday eve., instead of being out in the shop working. Looks like I will make it a couple of days early and have to go do some actual physical work.
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hey guys. I have a technical question but Im too lazy to search. Can anyone help me?
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Originally Posted by wackyracer
hey guys. I have a technical question but Im too lazy to search. Can anyone help me?
Search newb, or you will be the one bent over in your animation.
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The only new guy that I really like is Alex_the_hipple. His thread should be on top as a "THIS IS HOW NEW GUYS SHOULD ACT " kinda thread. I wonder though did he ever get his clutch in.
Old 03-31-06, 02:15 PM
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its like anything in this world, the new get picked on. Rookies in any sport get hazed, sometimes you hear about it but ever junior team to professionals in ever sport does it and dont think it doesnt


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