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How come civics are lighter than FB's?

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Old 12-28-02 | 01:20 AM
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This topic was dumb,,

Why are some terds longer than others?
He wasn't bashing your thread as much as he was making a shameless gesture to illustrate that he was post whoring.

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Old 12-28-02 | 01:42 AM
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I had a 91 civc hatch that was stripped and all that was inside was a cage - it weighd 1800 pounds FULLY RACE STRIPPED. your civic pals should pull their heads out and smell what wankel is cooking, kick their asses in a race around a curvy road- when their flashy lunchboxes roll over on the first turn and your RX grips like a bitch and keeps rolling, they'll know the RX-7 is more "fast and furious" than their mom's grocery getter ever could be.
Old 12-28-02 | 03:04 AM
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if these civics are so light, and have the same horse power as a 12a, why arent they fast?
Don't confuse peak horsepower for power under the curve in the used rpm range. Honda engines are well tuned from the factory, they have a VE usually in the 90% range up high in the rpms(V-Tec ones at least) which is near the effiency of a brigdeport in its powerband. They rev high, but have no torque. Even the B18's with vtech don't have much more torque than a slightly modded stock-port 12A. So they have a higher peak Hp, but aren't that impressive because of their peaky power band.

Add that to the fact the they are FWD, RX-7's are rear wheel drive (and often have a LSD). So if you can't absolutely rape them off the line, you have need of practice...

Old civics are very lightly built, so their chassis aren't very strong. But combine with a torque-challenged engine, and you will never have a problem. CRX's are light as a feather, which is why they are most often the drag car platform-of-choice for serious drag-hondas.
Old 12-28-02 | 03:09 AM
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I think all the people you are talking to that claim their civics weigh 1700 lbs. are either just talking smack, or are completely clueless. Or perhaps its the vinal stickers, they add 5 Hp at least, and lower the weight of the car by 50 lbs...
Old 12-28-02 | 06:46 AM
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All depends on when you pinch 'em off I guess.
Nasty bastered..lol
Old 12-28-02 | 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by ioTus
THank you for asessing that my post is dumb.

I personally dont ever do that to someone, but i dont konw, just me i guess.

I knew they didnt know what they were talking about. THe thing that i was thinking was, if these civics are so light, and have the same horse power as a 12a, why arent they fast? Why cant we make our rexes that light? but, as i suspected, they arent as light as they pretend to be.

Once again, a ricer pretends to be fast, or light in this case.
I wasnt tring to make you look like an ***,I was just wondering why this question was posted.

You are comparing 2 completely diffrent cars,
2 completely diffrent set ups,diffrent engines etc..
of course one will weight more than the other.I dont think Civics weigh in what you posted...a CRX would be close but not a Civic..

Maybe im just looking at yoru question at a diffrent view than you or maybe I didnt catch something,Sorry...
Old 12-28-02 | 06:55 AM
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Really old civics weighed around 1850. Nowadays they weigh around 2200lbs. These are the weights for a 3-door civic BTW.
Old 12-28-02 | 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Zulu
so how do I get rid of all the weight in my gsl-se :p
Get rid of the car and get a S model
Old 12-28-02 | 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Zulu
so how do I get rid of all the weight in my gsl-se :p

Go on a diet
Old 12-28-02 | 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
Depends on the year, options, etc!

But there are many things to figure.



A Civic engine weighs much less than a rotary engine. FAR less.

Same goes for the transmission.



Exactly. I agree 100%. I mean, a 12a/13b weighs like what, 400lbs? Average hamsters only weigh 7-9 ozs.
Old 12-28-02 | 02:21 PM
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Exactly. I agree 100%. I mean, a 12a/13b weighs like what, 400lbs? Average hamsters only weigh 7-9 ozs.
Old 12-28-02 | 02:43 PM
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Yeah, don't ever forget that Civics have gutless little 1.6's in them, while a 12A is equivalent to a 2.3l. Rotor motor much more biggerful!

HP sells but torque talks!
Old 12-28-02 | 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
more biggerful!
Finally some real hard core tech terminology. lol

I've heard that the rotary is roughly equivalent to a pist-on engine twice it's size. Why is that?
Old 12-28-02 | 04:23 PM
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Through a stroke of genius, Wankel convinced the world that a Wankel rotary's displacement should only be rated by the displacement over one flywheel revolution.

Genius because standard engines (4-cycle boingers) are rated by the displacement over two flywheel revolutions. Because of this, Herr Wankel's engines were twice as large as a similarly rated piston engine. This meant that cars with his engines could have engines twice as large as the competition's while falling into the same tax bracket! The Ro80 had "1 liter" engine, so it was taxed like a 1 liter car, but it performed like a 2 liter car.

The governments wised up and now they rate rotaries by either 2x or 1.8x rated displacement. The "one revolution" rating serves no real purpose anymore other than giving ricers something to brag about
Old 12-28-02 | 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
Yeah, don't ever forget that Civics have gutless little 1.6's in them, while a 12A is equivalent to a 2.3l. Rotor motor much more biggerful!

HP sells but torque talks!
I cant stand when people sit there and say your engine is close to a 6 cyl ..blah blah..

On this local racing forum I go to,When I first got there people were talking mad **** about rotarys,Me being the only one there I had to back my self up,I heard ever dumb *** remark thats in the book,When I told them ******** I was going to go with a single t60 or bigger Turbo they laughed,

Telling me Rotarys put out to much exhast for a single Turbo,I told that dumb **** if he knows what a first gen 12AT was,Or whats a Turbo II and why did they call it a turbo II,

I still there and hear the brap brap **** once in a while,This one guy says im almost done with my Civic I got 9 k in it and I should run 13s,I laughed my *** off,I said 9 k and thats all you can do?I had the Honda ricers coming out of the wood work flaming me,I told them what I run and I have 800-900. in my car total,I said if they cant beat me by 5 car lenghts they need to go back and get a ****** refund.

Dam I love my 7,

I got most of my **** I need performance wise,I just need to port my engine,at this point I dont give a dam If canget some bridgeport templates it will be bridged,Its only a 12A n/a... I want to see what I can run all motor,then throw a nice 100 shot

muwhahahah

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Old 12-29-02 | 04:02 AM
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actually, it's 1.156L... not 2.3L.
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