vicsrx-7

as some of you know i just put my 12a back in my 85 gsl. everything went pretty well until i tried to hook up the battery. i blew the main fusible link. i found out my alt. wire from the battery was touching the side of the alt. i got a new main fusible link fixed the wire and hooked up the battery. Radio, lights, blower motor,gauges all work. so i try to start the car. NOTHING HAPPENED. so i start pondering, and after awhile i remembered the alarm has a starter kill. my question is should the starter kill reset itself? is there a battery located in the alarm somewhere that could of died during the year+ the car sat? the rest of the alarm works though. what else could be the problem? the starter does nothing. it did crank the motor before the rebuild (KDR). so i'm sure it works. any ideas? i'm stuck. .........thanks, vic

jimmyv13

Disconnect all wires to the alarm. Take the unit out of the car and set it on the ground and beat the **** out of it with a hammer. Relax. Try to start car.



Seriously.....alarms are such a pain in the ***. Figure out how to cut power to the alarm. Rewire the starter around the starter kill feature and try it. If your alarm is at fault then the car should start.

vicsrx-7

my problem is i can't find the starter kill and the company that installed the alarm went out of business. btw it's a python series 80. thanks, Vic

jimmyv13

Can you pull the whole alarm out?

jimmyv13

Have you tried to push start it? Maybe once you get it running, the alarm will reset itself.....

vicsrx-7

i recently had back surgery and it's very hard to get under the dash. thats another reason i am trying to find out if its the alarm or something else. thanks again, vic

head hung low...it's an automatic so pushing it is out too

jimmyv13

Damn automatics. My only other thing is to have somebody crawl under the dash and find the alarm. I'm 6'4", and I've been under my dash more times than I'd like to mention. I have to sit in my seat backwards and sling my legs over the headrest so I can fit, and then slide down until my head hits the floor. It's a sight to see, I'm sure, but what a vantage point of the dash internals. It takes me about 10 minutes to get situated. Good Luck.

P.O.S. Racing

For what it’s worth, did the alarm chirp when you reconnected the battery? Does it have a LED, what’s it indicating? Do you have a valet switch to disarm the alarm?

Have you put a meter on ALL your fusible links, to see if your getting power across them?

Pele

iTrader: (28)

Nab up a remote starter switch... Or don't.

Crawl under and hook a wire to the small connector on the solenoid. Crawl out and touch it to the + battery connector. (Or connect the other wire of your remote starter to the + battery connection. That is if you are using a remote starter switch. Then hit your switch.)

It should crank. If not then you should hear a click. No click = Solenoid is dead. No crank. Starter's dead. Simple as that.

If it does crank, Find the alarm and pour a soda into it. Fix it right up. (No don't pour a soda into it. Find out if you can get it to work properly. Perhaps it was installed wrong or a wire has come loose. Otherwise, disconnect it carefully and re assemble teh stock wiring.)

vicsrx-7

i got all new fusible links from mazdatrix so i know they are good. i do not have remote start on the alarm. it was put in on 4-27- 94. and has worked fine say's the previous owner. the motor cranked over before i had it rebuilt. pele i am going to try the starter jump when it stops raining. i can't remember ..can i get a new selonoid or do i have to get the whole starter? thats if the selonoid is my problem. i'm kind of hopeing it is because w/ my back i can barely tie my shoes better yet get upside down under the dash....thanks for the input, vic

btw pele im glad i didn't have to search all my wires in the car to find a short. it was the alt. wire touching the housing

jimmyv13

starter and solenoid are sold together.

kamal_mann

Not to sound simplistic, but as you have an automatic, check the "park/neuteral" switch. It might not be working, if this is the case then it will not let the starter turn over. If memory serves me correctly it is located under the shifter boot and is easy to access from above. There is no need to remove the "T" handle on the shifter, carefully remove the gear indicator panel and look at the gunk that's collected under there over the years.

Kamal

vicsrx-7

hi all,
i just tried touching the starter and solenoid w/ a screwdriver. the starter spun very fast the first time but just sparked the next couple of times. any ideas? i dont think it has anything to do w/ the alarm because everything else on the alarm is working. please help. i want to get her started before winter.

btw just to make sure i have the positive cable hooked to the lower bolt of the solenoid. the smaller wire is hooked where it belongs and there is another bolt w/ nothing hooked to it. is this right.

Pele

iTrader: (28)

That right side bolt with "nothing" on it should have a short section of braided looking wire on it. It should just go directly through a hole in the motor housing. You'll see it if you remove the starter or feel for it.

Try this:

Remove the smaller wire, attach a volt meter to it and the other end of the volt meter to ground. (Substitute a test light if you have no volt meter.) Turning the key to START should result in teh meter showing 12 Volts or the light to come on brightly.

If it does, replace the starter, if it doesn't, you'll need to dig through your electrical system, further complicated with the automatic tranny's neutral/park switch.

vicsrx-7

where is this neutral switch? the hot wire is hooked to the lower bolt on the solenoid. the small wire is hooked up to the right spot . what is the other bolt for? i'll get under the car and check that wire pele, thanks. why did the starter spin so fast when i jumped it ? does this mean it is not hooking up with the flywheel. thanks guy's.....vic