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Old 11-28-06 | 10:27 AM
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Gen 1 Turbo?

I recently bought an 84 gls se its an awsome car with only 70k on it plus i got it for a steal i was wondering if anyone has any info about turbos for the gen1 13b if you have pictures of set ups it would be awsome. Im also looking for somewhere i can get a body kit that wont make it look like a riceburner (i want to be able to fit an intercooler in my front end).
Old 11-28-06 | 10:53 AM
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i personally would keep it stock if it only has 70k, thats a low mile collector car.
get a tII if you desire a turbo so badly.
Old 11-28-06 | 12:03 PM
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TII and 4 port turbos have been covered many times.
Old 11-28-06 | 02:02 PM
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what are you plans?? would you rather keep the car as a collector car like he said or turbo it and so on? if you want some info on turboing the stock engine i got a lot of links book marked so lemme know.
Old 11-28-06 | 03:34 PM
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Welcome to the club. I would suggest that you keep the body stock and do some engine work if you relly want too. Directfeak has a great car, he has a intercooler in his stock body form on the 7. Do what you want though, there are a lot of things you can do, so search. Check out the faq page, archives and use the search button as much as poissible. God bless. Oh ya, newbs or supposed to post pics of there ride, so post them up when possible.
Old 11-28-06 | 03:53 PM
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I'm with Midwest7 on this. 2 of the most desireable 1st gens are the Sa and the Gsl-se.
There are fewer and fewer low mileage Se's out there. And even less that have not been molested. It's funny how so many that get a 7 automatically want a Turbo.

Well, welcome to the "Darkside", as my esteemed collegue Trochoid says.
Old 11-30-06 | 01:09 PM
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No turbo

I didnt intent this car to be a restoration project, i already have one of those a 1965 ford galaxie 500 but if you say it worth it the car need little work to be prestine, paint, carpet, and a vinyl die is about it the body is in good shape and almost rust free. The stereo and antenna are not stock but everything else is. Ive looked into valuse for the car and mostly i get about the price i paid for from most sources. My question is will it be worth my time to restore this car, how much would it be worth.
Old 11-30-06 | 01:29 PM
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Will your 7 increase in value and be a desireable collector car, probably not for many years. Rotarys tend to be a niche vehicle for those of us that love simplicity of them, especially the 1st gens and earlier models. Unfortunately the rotary engine scares most people away because of myths and misconceptions, yet many like the styling of them.

The big secret is the rotary engine is so simple compared to a piston, yet when you take it into a shop to have work done, the mechanics run and hide in the toilet. ******

Keeping some of the rarer, low production models pristine, will only help to increase to value and interest in the other more common models. I have a brown/brown GSL that someday will be restored to stock, except the leather seats, simply to keep it as an example of an oem 7. I already have more money in it than it will be worth and I still have body work and paint to do.

On the flipside, the last link in my sig line is my play toy, and I'm not done with it yet.

In the long run, the final decision is up to you, but if you want to build a go fast turbo, I would start with an S3 GSL and build from there, simply to save the rarer one you have.
Old 12-01-06 | 11:03 AM
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I say go for it with the turbo, you won't be disapointed. I bought my SE with 59,000 miles and 3 weeks later it was being molested by Robert @ the RotaryShack. The car is way fun to drive.

As far as the intercooler, here is a pic with it in the stock location.

Good luck and start saving your $$$$.
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Old 12-01-06 | 12:46 PM
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That's not a very efficient placement of that intercooler.
The air needs to hit the face of that IC perpedicular to the fins,
otherwise the air wont go through it.

The reason it works on V-Mount setups is because if the ducting
forcing the air through.

The way yours is mounted, the air will be deflected more than anything.

Just my 02 cents.
Old 12-01-06 | 12:55 PM
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I would have dropped mine straight perpindicular to the road like DF's. What he said about the air being deflected moreso than going through it makes a lot of sense, but regardless I wish you the best of luck with your car, Hit Redline.

And as far as my opinion goes on the topic - I would look at all of your options before deciding to go turbo or keep it N/A, and look at what you will be using it for primarily. Also, I wouldn't molest a low mileage GSL-SE, but rather get a GSL and drop a TII engine in it. That is just me. I understand that the -SE comes with better suspension bits, and in some cases even has power steering, but you can upgrade suspension bits, and who needs power steering in these cars? Also, on that note, the TII was built specifically for being boosted, and will make more power, costing you close to the same. I don't know, maybe that is just what I would do if I wanted a turbo.
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I should have clarified my set up. As Normity_Glitch states you should drop in a TII motor as it is intend for for boost and comes with the turbo. That is what I have. A complete TII swap.

The stock SE motor has small exhaust ports and won't last long on boost.

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I would have dropped mine straight perpindicular to the road like DF's. What he said about the air being deflected moreso than going through it makes a lot of sense, but regardless I wish you the best of luck with your car, Hit Redline.

And as far as my opinion goes on the topic - I would look at all of your options before deciding to go turbo or keep it N/A, and look at what you will be using it for primarily. Also, I wouldn't molest a low mileage GSL-SE, but rather get a GSL and drop a TII engine in it. That is just me. I understand that the -SE comes with better suspension bits, and in some cases even has power steering, but you can upgrade suspension bits, and who needs power steering in these cars? Also, on that note, the TII was built specifically for being boosted, and will make more power, costing you close to the same. I don't know, maybe that is just what I would do if I wanted a turbo.
Old 12-01-06 | 07:48 PM
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Thanks for the input. I left the intercooler placement up to Robert at the Shack. He does this kind of work all the time so I would assume this would be an effecient location. I will ask Robert and see what he says. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Directfreak
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That's not a very efficient placement of that intercooler.
The air needs to hit the face of that IC perpedicular to the fins,
otherwise the air wont go through it.

The reason it works on V-Mount setups is because if the ducting
forcing the air through.

The way yours is mounted, the air will be deflected more than anything.

Just my 02 cents.
Old 12-01-06 | 08:15 PM
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I agree with the angle issue and the air flowing past, and not though the ic. If you were to install say a Mariah Mode 4 air dam, you could straighten up the ic and do some ducting to force more air though the ic.
Old 12-01-06 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Normality_Glitch
... And as far as my opinion goes on the topic - I would look at all of your options before deciding to go turbo or keep it N/A, and look at what you will be using it for primarily. Also, I wouldn't molest a low mileage GSL-SE, but rather get a GSL and drop a TII engine in it. That is just me. I understand that the -SE comes with better suspension bits, and in some cases even has power steering, but you can upgrade suspension bits, and who needs power steering in these cars? Also, on that note, the TII was built specifically for being boosted, and will make more power, costing you close to the same. I don't know, maybe that is just what I would do if I wanted a turbo.
I'll be adding a vintage old school Cartech turbo kit in my low mileage GSL-SE over the winter. I struggled with the decision on whether to keep it stock or not, but finally talked myself into the installation. The car needs a bit of engine updating to be competitive.
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