Man_in_black49464

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Ok i got this messege when i replyed to some guy who wanted more HP out of his car. This is his email he sent to me!


--------Hey man,

Thanks for the advice and the link, the engines there are at least 20% cheaper than anyplace else I've looked and I've looked a LOT!
The thing is, in my origonal question I said I wanted as much HP as I coud get without changing the basic setup beyond adding a blowthrough turbo setup. I don't wanna drag race, or race anyone else at all. I just want more than the stock gives me. That's all. I even stated that I wasn't sure if a turbo was the way to go in the first place. I just don't know... And I'm not really getting anything but flak here, minus maybe this email and one or two other posts.

I'm leaving the forum because of it. Too many people telling me I'm stupid and not enough people telling me why...

Thanks a lot for the info though, and good racing ----------





Well I for one dont like loseing a member!!!! I have noticed that a lot of you think that your gods of this forum, and all i want to see is a little respect for the "newbs" they come here to learn and get help and idea's. All they get is a bunch of bullshit and insults! Im sure nothing will change but i wanted to voice my opinion and see if anyone has noticed this as well?

Rogue_Wulff

I've seen a couple newb's come in that won't listen. I usually don't assist them when that happens.

I know I am not a "god" by any means, but I do have a pretty fair amount of knowledge about cars in general, and some decent knowledge of rotaries. Aside from the engine, these cars are basicly the same as most others.

Man_in_black49464

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Granted Wulff, We who have been around these cars for a long time do know more and some newbs dont listen, but that doesnt meen we should give up on them. But do you see my point, they are here to learn from us.?????

Rogue_Wulff

I agree. However, they must be willing to listen and learn. You can send a kid to school, but you can't make them learn.

perfect_circle

i agree with whats said. sometimes they just dont listen, and i dont like losing a member, but if they are going to cry, then maybe the car should be in some one elses hands.. and they can call the wambulance... although i dont mind the noob mentality, or even the repeated questions, just search when we tell you too... i feel that this is a forum, and not an archive, so i know we need to keep answering the same questions and a few new ones so we can continue to progress. im off to bed, i got class in the morning.

trochoid

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If this is the new guy that posted the other day about his 10 second Honda, he had an attitude problem to begin with and generally got what he asked for. Had he posted what he did in the 2nd gen forum, he would have been hobbling away with a very large bandage on his ***.

I do my best to support new members, help them out and point them in the right direction. But when a newb cops an attitude in thier 2nd or 3rd post, then it's time for one of my reality checks, like it or not. While that may sound harsh, it cuts down on a lot of the bs and keeps this section more civil than some of the others so we all can enjoy our exchanges of information and knowledge.

Now, if you are refering to me as one of those with the 'God' complex, look at my user name. It's not capitalized for the very reason that my ego dictates that it's not important enough to be in caps.

If I'm one of the members you're refering to, state your case, don't hint or beat around the bush. If it's someone else, then I should apologize for pre-emptively jumping up in my defense.

perfect_circle

but trochoid you are god....

and i lied, i havent gone to bed yet.

ray green

iTrader: (14)

I think MIB has a point, I just drive my 7 as a daily driver and want to keep it running well and in original shape. I'm not a mechanic, just a perenial noob that wants to do everything himself. And yeh I've given the forum a good long break on several occaisions when one of the self-appointed "gods" say something on par with a seventh grader.

But perfect circle has a point too, some of these guys (trochoid, doc, RX-7carl, etc) ARE gods and when they want to, which is almost all the time, they are extremely helpful and respectful, as are most of the other rotor heads who haven't achieved god status yet.

I'm sure if I got to know any member of this forum, I'd feel very comfortable sitting down having a beer with any one of them. Except the Republicans, of course.

What people have to understand is that half the time, like perfect circle in the post above, we are just joking around, "lying" as our disappointed friend might call it, not quite getting the joke.

So yeh, go easy on the noobies (including me), or at least use one of those smiley faces when you don't.

Hey, how do you make those smiley faces anyway?

Ray

JIM82RX7

iTrader: (2)

hey guys i am a new to this and read more than i ask. i see some replies and as MIB says its true. i have not wanted to post any questions because of it.But i had aproblem and RXDOC help me fix it. i see everyones point of view and respect it.
i was thinking of leaving but now i think i'll stay.
i do want to thank everyone here and for looking out for us newbies

FirebirdSlayer666

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I agree that n00bs need to have a little more leeway when it comes to searching and what not but they should atleast have the common curtasy to explore the site and get to know everything and search around before posting questions about things covered a million times over. A n00b definitely has no right to argue with any veteran of the forums and give them a hard time when simply trying to help, especially when they don't even have 10 posts under their belt. I'm all for posting questions and asking but all I ask is that you try and find the answer on your own first and if you can't find it we can direct you to where the answer is or answer the question. Anyone who wants to leave a forum full of wonderful knowledge such as this because someone told them off then I say they don't deserve the car they drive and need an attitude adjustment.

fcdrifter13

Ive given up all hope for the second gen section because of newbs not searching or reading the FAQ or sticky. I mean its so bad there are 3 of the same questions on the same page. I finally just gave up and made this.

"HI welcome to the forums. Look at the top of this page and you will see the search button, handy lil gizmo can find just about anything you'd like. There is also the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) at the top of the threads list with much of the info you will need. And lastly there is the archives(bold letters above time slips and dynos) and has alot of useful write-ups and talks about just about everything.

Basically if you can think of it, it has been covered at least 60times or more. Best to search first, read, then ask a question about a specific question relating to your general question, rather than be flamed for not searching or reading the FAQ."


That is just an easy open a file copy and paste. I don't do that here mind you because i don't see the kind of posting that is in the second gen section that I see here.

64mgb

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For the most part, I've found everyone on this forum to be quite helpful...I've received answers to a ton of questions and that has really helped me out. My biggest gripe though, is the stock "search" answer. I've been around the forum long enough now that I can say that it can be extremely difficult to find what you're looking for by searching. First of all, it can be difficult to know what terms to use for the search. Secondly, you have to rely on people spelling correctly (which is a real weakness on this forum). Third, many times you gets hundreds or thousands of hits on your search...that can take days or weeks to get through all of them. Fourth, many times the information returned in a search is outdated. Fifth, many times you will receive little bits and pieces of the answer you're looking for in several posts and you have to try to piece them together, which can be difficult to do (especially if you're a noob).

So, if I were asked the best way to make this forum better, I'd say don't automatically say "search" in your response. If you're worried about cluttering up the forum with information that's been covered before, just think about all the clutter caused by people telling others to search.

Just my $0.02.

Rich

freeclowns

well i know i have found alot of guy that think they are gods. Sometime they **** me off and i say something that i should have just said in my head. i need up kissing *** and we move on. I mean no reason to leave. I know i have not read the faq's. i know some of thing things i ask maybe in the ***'s. I just like to see what people have to say.

i think some people like myself need to get overthing and stop alway taking things the wrong way. I have even start putting little funny things like " ok guys i know ur going to call me a new and bust my ***** but i need help lol". i mean i am trying to learn and work on my rx7's. It takes time and we all should know how much time and money goes into rx7's.

So how do we fix this. Omg we should read the faq.Then if it does not help going on and post it anyways. Alot of people dont know how to work on rx7's and some of it is easy and then other parts or not.We are a family so lets be a family and show some love and stop getting hot headed.

85rotarypower

I just read through the thread that this guy made and it was quite apparent he didn't want to accept the information he was given. Mabey he did know how to work on a car, but to build a high hp turbo motor on a budget of $1200 is just rediculous. If you can do it, more power to you, but the general concensus (sp?) is that you can barely build a good streetported 12A for that. At the very least you need a new fuel pump, pressure regulator, full rebuild kit, porting templates, and aftermarket carb to do it. Thats at least $2500. I've got a stock S4 6 port in my car and I'm already sitting at about $1500 just with the fuel system alone, mind you my fuel system can support about 400hp, at least.

The fact is he wanted all the information spoon fed to him, and didn't want to accept the fact he couldn't do it on his $1200 budget. Someone like that doesn't deserve to own a 7 IMO, and we don't need people like that on this forum.

13b4me

Not detailing a particular instance here, BUT we should really attempt to avoid stereotyping all noobs. I've seen alot of questions get answered with "SEARCH NOOB", when the actual answer would have taken less characters (and more character) to type. The bottom line is without noobs, it is unforseeable to perpetuate the hobby. Someone has to carry the torch when the old dogs die. Keep the legacy alive!!!

85rotarypower

It gets very tiring answering the same questions over and over again. I try not to stereotype the noobs, but the fact is that there is a search button that if used will provide many answers in half the time it takes anyone to respond to a thread that just takes up forum space. This forum is getting bigger and bigger all the time. There is only so much space to store all this information, and with all the useless "What model is my car" or "How can I turbo my 12A" threads out there there is less space for NEW information. When I first joined, there was a little over 40,000 members, there is now nearly 100,000. Were just trying to save space.

We were all noobs at one point. The 1st gen section was a lot slower when I joined nearly 4 years ago. You'd be lucky to see about half a page worth of new reply's to threads in a day. Now I leave for a day and I have to go halfway down the 2nd page to find a thread I recently replied to. Its quite amazing actually just how many new 1st gen owners there are out there, and for the noobs, just searching the archives for about 10 min should get them all the information needed to install a TII in a 1st gen, what to check for when buying, and various other basic information.

Man_in_black49464

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Im glad that most of you have responded well to this, and TROCHOID im not pointing fingers at all and i think you should caps your name it looks better.

In my opionion the 2nd and 3rd gen's apeal more to young kids wich means you get the dumb and cocky ones , im young and i love the look of the first gen but i was raised on classics.

O and Ray : ) Put those togather to make a smiley


Thanks for the input guys, like i siad i dont mean to point any fingers i just hoped i wasnt alone in feeling some of what happens here is wrong.

13b4me

Then save space by not posting useless "SEARCH NOOB" posts. Eats up bandwidth just as quickly as the useless thread itself. Remember if you don't feel like posting the same answer repeatedly, there will always be someone else that doesn't mind, or perhaps hasn't said it as many times. At least if you're gonna tell someone how to search, give them some useful tips on how to do so properly and efficiently. Not everyone is computer saavy, and for many, this is their first forum experience. Let's try not to make it a bad one.

Not disagreeing with you btw. Just looking at both sides.

fcdrifter13

I know I said myself to search, but there is a problem. When you do search the most results you return are people saying search newb. The old thread with no information need to be cleaned up and deleted saving the good threads for the searchers. I know that it is a major task but still if it would help out any i would pitch in any way i could.

85rotarypower

Actually some of the youngest members on the forums are 1st gen owners that got their cars at 15 or younger. I bought my 82 with 273000km on it when I was 17. I'll be turning 21 in april and the 1st gen is by far my favorite RX-7.

I see what your saying 13b4me, in fact I usually just pass by threads with familiar names as it probably already has someone that has said search. I know I've said to search to noobs before, but I for one have helped noobs out when no one else would.

13b4me

Bingo. Also a big issue.

fcdrifter13

It is an issue that I think that has been totally over looked.

Ive been on this forum for a couple of years and I feel that I have matured and have become more educated from it, but being 21 i will still be immature at times, but I will try to keep the bickering and goofiness in the lounge as much as possible. This forum is and will be part of my daily life, and even as much as I like this place there are some things that need to be addressed but that probably be overlooked again and again. Like......

Moderators and admins worried about pictures of scantly clothed women, than they are of trying to clean up threads and give out useful information. I know that there are too few of you, but the fact still stands that the technical sections should come first and the lounge last. I do believe that if less attention was paid to the lounge more and more of the derogatory and insulting posts in the technical section would go away, and also some of the reposted threads could be answered making the search for the right answer easier and easier to find.

Another thing I find is the cockiness of most of the admins and mods. Ya we get it you know alot(some of you) and you've been there and done that, and youve answered questions on top of question time and time again, but seriously if you are going to be a total ***, and start slamming the ban hammer down or deleting threads just because you get a little upset, you need a break and let someone else take up the slack and appoint a new admin or mod while you take a break from the "pressure", there is always someone that knows just as much if not more and do not have the "OMG I AM THE RULER OF THE INTERNETS" syndrome.

It is not all there fault though, it is also the responsibility of members new and old to be helpful and to not be irrational. Most of the time it is the average posters fault that threads go unanswered, or turn into a bash fest and then after all the commotion the question still goes unanswered and the thread is locked.

But by all means dont be afraid to ask a new question that you dont think has been asked before. This does not include "free ways to make my 81 gs faster", I am talking about questions about lets say a new way to port the does and donts, or how to go about making mounting brackets to mount a 13b REW into my 85 GSL-SE on the cheap, or using rarely used methods to make more power or questions about said method.

Frostycrowd

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heck its the internet, when I joined the forums I asked as many questions as I wanted. I don't care if people think they are annoying, If I got a answer back that was good, yippy! I don't think I ever got insulted through the whole process.

trochoid

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Gentlemen, please, I and doc and Carl et.al., really are human, seriously. I do not have a rotating triangular head like some of you may think. I can only speak for myself, but I have flaws, good/bad days, errors in judgement/posts, etc. Please don't call or refer to me as a 'God', I'm not even close. I have done my best to learn what I can about rotarys and do my best to give that back to the rotary community, which isn't even close to what I have gained by being a part of it.

I heartily agree we should do our best to help and retain new members. That's the reason why I have my infamous sig line intead of pics of the widebody. It's to help newbs, not brag or boost my ego. We should also cut them them some slack until they become familiar with how the forum works. Hell, I still have problems trying to search for things and often just read my *** off until I find what I need. Telling new members to search as a reply to thier 1st post is one of my pet peeves. It doesn't help them, nor does it promote the Club. If we can't give a new member any better advice than search, then we should either stfu or look up the info they need, and post it or a link to it.

bliffle

The "search" tool is really weak at finding what you want. I've tried it many times and after an hour or so of frustration I grit my teeth and post a query.