RotaryRevn

yup, thanks for that info. $20? is that all. Cost much more than that in CA, not that I've done it or anything...lol

Atkins Dan

I think it wiuld be dilluted enough but I would go fill up on galoline when you are done with the test.

Dan

TimX-7

Is there any reason why this wouldn't work going to a CA test only station for emissions testing?
Any extra tests that would catch the altered fuel? Just wondering.
would rather buy 4$ worth of fuel than 700-1000$ worth of catalytic converters and labor.

-T

RotaryRevn

It should work. I've actually had better luck passing at test only stations. I guess it's because they can't repair anything so they only care if the car runs clean. I've had 3 gslse's and one 89 gtu all pass on the first try on their own without cheatin!

QuagmireMan

careful when putting that stuff in, when you mix oil and it together look at it, it eats up the oil pretty bad taking away most of its lubrication properties. that may cuase alittle extra wear on the inside of your engine, but i dont think it could cause any serious problems doing once in a while

Moonchopper

So does this mean you would be able to take out the rats nest and still pass emissions?

If so, do you think it would still pass visual inspection?

capri93

Well fellas i was talking to a relative in the auto repair buisness. We got on this subject the new Emission test wont work on our cars as they are computer based and only work on cars 96 and newer. This form doesnt use a dyno, it uses internal codes from the cars pc. so anybody in PA this is good for us

dbtolman

Did you hear from him yet?

delrx7

i had premix so i put 3 gallons in but if your not mixing you coulddo two,you definatly have to fill up when your done cause it runs like ****,i had problems starting it a couple of times but if you pump the pedal it starts, you could rip the rats nest out and still pass because the alcohol dillutes the gas so much.

Aviator 902S

RX7 owners in California could elaborate on this better than I can, but don't they have the cops do spot checks on emissions there? Apparently these checks involve physically looking for missing emissions components as well as the sniffer.

In this case you might want to install a separate (very small and easily concealed) tank filled with ethanol/ gasoline mix. When you come up over the rise to see the check stop simply flip the (hidden) fuel selector to the auxilliary tank until after you've been cleared.

As for the cats/ air pump, etc. the cats could be hollowed out, the air pump rigged so that the pulley spins but there's nothing inside to rob power. The rats nest could be still in place but all unnecessary lines plugged internally. All the inspector sees is a stock-looking emissions set-up. Screw the enviro-*****.

Atkins Dan

yes you can remove the rats nest and still pass on the visual inspection NOPE you wont pass that part of the test.

Dan

Atkins Dan

Yes but any thing older than 96 still has to do the sniff part of the test.
the only Rotary car that would pass under the OBD test would be the RX-8.

Dan

RotaryRevn

So your saying I could run a car with no emissions equipment whatsoever on it, and if I did the alcohol trick, it would pass? No cats, egr, rats nest airpump ect, but the alcohol in the tank?

thanks

Aviator 902S

I personally can't say that for sure since I haven't done that myself. What I am saying is that if some of the claims mentioned on this thread are true, just putting alcohol in your tank for the annual emission test wouldn't be enough to get you past a roadside emissions check that includes the cops taking a peek under your hood. To be ready for that you'd need some method of switching tanks on the fly to the one that has a reserve of alcohol for just such an emergency. And all emission components would have to "appear" to be in place.

RotaryRevn

The only roadside emission tests are done few and far between. In my 14 years of driving I have never had to do one... And the tests that are done are for statistical purposes only hand do not go against you in any way.

delrx7

well in delaware theres a recheck lane. I failed the first time and only had to go back through for emissions so you could purposly fail the first parts of the test then fill er up and go through the recheck,plus (in DE at least) with rotary enigines they dont check under the hood,the guy was like pop the hood in the recheck lane and then was like wait this is a rotary,nevermind.so im guessing as long as you have a cat and muffler youll pass the parts,then you got the methonal for emissions

TimX-7

Hey del, what specific type of fuel did you get?
Just very high octane alcohol racing fuel?

again, just wondering :D

-T

Aviator 902S

That's good news. I was under the impression that if you failed one of these spot checks you'd be fined.

The only one I saw (on the only road trip I ever took through California) was just over the Arizona boarder westbound just outside Yuma. They were flagging everybody off to the right but when they noticed my British Columbia plates they allowed me to proceed.

But there have been some nasty rumors about some states and provinces looking to set up just such a program (complete with fines) in the future, especially here in Canada now that it looks like the Kyoto nightmare is going to come true for those living in countries retarded enough to go along with it.

RotaryRevn

Yeah, for now it doesn't hurt you but who knows what will be going on 10 years down the line.

Hyper4mance2k

iTrader: (40)

Are you 100% sure of this?Cause if so I'm going to have to come up with a plan for next year i just got my tabs for this year and didn't have to go through emmissions and the last time i took the test was when i bought the car in September 2002. so i've renewed my tabs two times and havenot had to take an emissions test yet. And it's registered in Lynnwood where you must have a test. I know if its registered in more rural areas you don't have to ake the test could the area also effect the 20 or 25 year rule?

delrx7

i used 87 octane gas and methonal a.k.a. alchohol fuel,every place that sells it knows its used for emmisions so double check with them.its completly clear and smells like grain alchohol.

Atkins Dan

Last time I talked to the WA DMV that is what thay told me that is why I have parked my 82 RX so that in 2006 I dont have to worry about it any more that it gives me a chance to restore it to where I want it.

Dan