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Old 07-09-03 | 10:42 PM
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cheeseports

I had a 4 bridge 12A lock-up on me & I got another 12A to build. Im interested in "Cheeseporting" it,How is this done?& Also how much can I port out the exhaust for a Race port?I need to know what to do& what not to do so I can get it right.
Old 07-09-03 | 10:46 PM
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Cheeseport? Don't waste your time...
Old 07-09-03 | 10:52 PM
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Not worth it?I thought it was more reliable than a full bridge?I dont want all the problems a Big Bridge has.
Old 07-09-03 | 10:53 PM
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whats a cheeseport? is it dangerously cheesy?
Old 07-10-03 | 02:17 AM
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We found out it's called 'drillports' and they don't work very well. Sorry Karis.

I'm still doing a half bridge.
Old 07-10-03 | 06:47 AM
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There is a forum member karism that just had his engin cheese ported, and has had great problems, you might want to talk to him first.
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Im interested in "Cheeseporting" it,How is this done?
If you have to ask that, you don't want to. I don't see how a bridgeport is more problematic? Except that it will actually yield results in power gains along with the choppy idle and less lowend power but a lot more highend.

For your Information, I never heard of real rotary shop anywhere using this type of porting EVER.

If anyone can support Actual data that a "Cheezeport" is anything but completely stupid, I welcome it. Heck, I never heard of it till I was on this furum, so it can't be the best at making any power or doing anything but waste your time.

Heres what you do: decide on what you want VS money. Then do this: streetport, bridgeport, j-port, or perpheral port. And then decide if you are going to turbo it.
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what problems did he have? I have not read any problems so far...

not that I'm defending the cheesy ports or anything but it would be nice to know from him the actual problems.

I do have notice the large amount of half bridges popping up lately, I would much rather full bridge and do the proper oil mods. Seems like doing a half bridge is a waste of time, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Half-bridge is great if you wanna use the stock apex seals.
Old 07-10-03 | 10:05 AM
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half-bridge is good for street use. it will give you the low rpm characteristics of a street port since a full bridge port is not designed for it.
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whats a cheeseport? is it dangerously cheesy?
yeah, im Lactose intollerant so that **** will give me ******* Diarreea Cha-Cha-Cha j/k im really not Lactose intollerant.

Dont wast your time with that CHEEZY PORT just do the bridge or a Hardcore LA, GANGBANGING STREET PORT

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Originally posted by WackyRotary

For your Information, I never heard of real rotary shop anywhere using this type of porting EVER.

If anyone can support Actual data that a "Cheezeport" is anything but completely stupid, I welcome it. Heck, I never heard of it till I was on this furum, so it can't be the best at making any power or doing anything but waste your time.

Mike Haag in Northern California builds rotary engines for a long time. Does many IT and enduro rotaries for SCCA and NASA. You might not have heard of him because he's a small shop catering to the race crowd primarily. He did the 13b cheeseport I rode in back in summer of 1995. It was a 13B 4 port from an Rx-4. Made good power and sounded like a bridgeport. Supposedly cheeseport makes more low end then full bridge and more power than a streetport. It was not a waste of time, that car scooted real good.

Would I drive it on the street? Never drove it at low rpms, the jury's out on that one. Would I own one for MY racecar? I have good gearing and don't need low rpm torque so I bought a full J-bridge.

But remember, even a half bridgeport will kick and buck at low revs due to exhaust gas recirculation.
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I still have housings & plates that were lapped& ported.(Rear plate is screwed up )So I can use the 4 bridge again(I afraid It will blow too Quick )I would have to do is get the rear plate bridged,I stil have new RB carbon seals that I plan to use again(1 broke but I already got a new one).I like the "cheeseport" concept,It sounds like there are mixed feelings on them on this forum.
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race exhaust porting

How much material can I remove from the exhaust?
The housings are only slightly "cleaned "up but It still looks small ,I need some pics to help me out.

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Old 07-10-03 | 06:18 PM
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don't grind out the exhaust sleeve completely. keep it in there but grind it good. mabye 1/4" lip on the sleeve.
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what does a cheeze port look like?
Old 07-10-03 | 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by 13B4port
what does a cheeze port look like?
swiss cheese
Old 07-10-03 | 10:15 PM
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This sounds like a fu**ing joke.. Cheese port! couldn't they come up with a better name. I think I would stick with what is proven and stay away from the fads. IMO.
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OK> here it is....quezo de porte.
Old 07-10-03 | 11:45 PM
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AGAIN...

Those things are known as "drill ports" and they SUCK. they create too much turbulance, and you can never get them to idle right. Mod for Mod, A properly running stock port will get more power.

Seriously, stick to a large street-port, or do a real bridge.
A Real bridgeport has the rotor housings notched as well.
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The rotor housing notched? What do you mean by this. I am in the market to port mine. I am doing it myself and having trouble finding templates. I wanted to do a bridge, but housing notches? That sounds tricky. What is it? Do you have a pic of it
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Old 07-11-03 | 06:10 PM
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Oh yeah, Thats what I know of as a J-Port. They call it a J-Bridge because it is simular to a bridgeport but it DOES comprimise the water seals (and engine life). But thanks for your insight.
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Some would call that a j-bridge but to me it's just a bridge-port. If you look closely you'll notice the notching stops just short of the o-ring which means it doesn't compromise water sealing. J-port or monster-port is when the port goes right into the water jacket.
Old 07-11-03 | 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by REVHED
Some would call that a j-bridge but to me it's just a bridge-port. If you look closely you'll notice the notching stops just short of the o-ring which means it doesn't compromise water sealing. J-port or monster-port is when the port goes right into the water jacket.
Exactly.

This is a J-Port



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