Some of you know about my car already. I run a streetported 13b 6 port with S5 TII internals and a Camden. Last year I got 165 rwhp on the dyno (yep, less than expected but accurate to what Camden projected). Since then I've tried different carbs, went up to a Demon 650, changed exhaust to 2 1/2" and a magnaflow, #7 pulley and managed to maintain 9-10 lbs boost. With this I achieved a 15.0 in the 1/4 mile at 3550 ft above sea level (should be comparable to 14.0 at sea level). Since then I talked to Camden about my #8 pulley (smaller, more boost) dropping off in boost after 6000 rpm, they said they use a larger carb with a smaller pulley at the track. I also wanted to bump up the timing but detonation was an issue. So, i added water methanol injection in the air cleaner ( http://www.snowperformance.net/prodd...p?prod=auto010 ), it comes on at 8 lbs and I was then able to bump timing up by about 10 degrees (just above orig factory, no boost retard) and got a noticeable different above 6000. I also changed the aircleaner to a 14" drop base and 3" K&N filter (after obtaining a different top rad hose for better clearance). Then I installed my Holley 850 double pumper and the #8 pulley. Now I can maintain 12-13 lbs boost above 6000 with no boost fall off. It's off to the track this friday for results and the dyno within a month. Hopefully I can find a buddy with a camcorder soon for some updated video....The dyno goal, 200 rwhp...track goal 14.5

 

And for those of you who want to flame the supercharger, save it! We've heard it all already.

 

Superchargers are groovy. Instant-on power is a good thing, IMHO.

Definately keep us updated on your runs and dyno results.

 

I'm looking to buy one also ... interested in the results

 

That's hilarious!!! You should make it part of your sig!! LOL!!

 

Good, hurry up and buy mine.

 

I thought you sold that already!

 

And, before the debate begins, if you're starting form scratch here's my advice: If you can get a good used camden kit for a deal take it, you'll enjoy it! If you gonna go brand new and building the engine to suit, I'd suggest going with a TII swap, in the long run you'll get more net HP for your money.

 

Not to flame, but that is almost disturbing to read

you should be able to take the supercharger completely off and produce the exact same numbers with your setup..... N/A ?

I've often considered buying a camden as I have an SE with a similar setup to yours. (S/P six port full exhaust and holley 600 double pumper) But my car already makes at least 160hp and I guarantee you it'll run a 15.0.

I'd really like to know what's wrong with this picture. You have a light weigt high comp. 13b with a street port, an 850CFM CARB, water methanol injection, and 10PSI OF BOOST. AND YOU"RE SHOOTING FOR 200HP AND A 14.5 1/2 ?????

Do you live at extreem altitude or something?

I sincerely am not trying to **** on your thread here, but I wouldn't be quite so content if I was in your situation.

I didn't know weather to laugh or puke when I read those numbers.

What gives?



--Alex


EDIT! because I just read your altitude But your car still sounds painfully slow for all that you've done.

 

Altitude is high, and yeah I expected more. While you may have comparable peak hp you have nowhere the the torque though. Tuning is everything and I made a lot of ground since last years dyno, so I expect better. Even Code Blue only achieved 211rwhp with efi and a standalone so if I can achieve that I figure it's near it's max until i bridge it. I know when guys up here run at another track 200 miles away with much lower altitude many cut a full second off their time.

 

Remember the 168hp was last year (on a mustang dyno which many say is 10% below a dynojet) with boost starting to fall off over 7000rpm. I figure the exhaust is worth 15, ditching the efi afm is another 10 peak and the streetport is 25 plus 135 fwhp totals 185, add the 30% improvement over stock (45hp) advertised by Camden totals 230, then take off 20% drivetrain loss. I should have been at 184hp. If the mustang does infact read 10% lower than some than i should have ended up at 166rwhp. Your car should be within about 35 peak hp of mine (last year, since much was comparable), you say 160hp, well probably about 185 at the flywheel. Is the camden worth it, tough call, I say only if you got a deal and can do it yourself.

 

^thank you.

That is what camden advertises, but you have so much extra **** done just to achieve what they tell you it should put down with only an exhaust and a 650 holley.

I don't theink their claims include porting, massive carbs, huge exhausts, different s/c pulleys and water methanol injection, do they?

I guess I thought boost was boost. What makes one psi of boost from a camden so much less productive than one psi from a turbo?

13psi is alot of boost man, if it where comming from a turbo you'd be making 300rwhp.

But I bet the torque is entertaining



Good luck this year.

 

how much torque was your car first doing in the first dyno test, then the second dyno run?

 

also one more thing ... are you using the 7" one?

 

The first dyno run had safely retarded timing, and a streetable 650 edelbrock carb.

 

would it be possible to run a blower with a sterling nikki? and how much should i expect to pay for a camden kit?

sorry to thread jack.

 

Im thinking about grabbing one of the SC from the shop and seeing what it can do. It should bolt up to the Camden plates and such.

 

Holy ******* ****, I just looked at the Camden kit, WTF. The design looks like its from the 50s, it has strait cut fins, nothing really sealing the unit up to build any real boost, and its way to small. You would be better off buying an Intake and pully kit from them and then mounting a SC off of a 4-71 DD on there.


Im not flaming though.

 

Yea when I was at the Pan Ams I didnt see any strip or show rotarys with a supercharger. I wonder if its really worth the $$$$ ? Spoke to a fella with a red Rx3 there and he said a well street ported 12a with NOS will give you more than a super charger. Not sure if he meant more bang for the buck or more HP.....not sure he could've meant anything but truthfully I never drove a rx that was supercharged so this is 2nd hand info.

 

From what I've read, the supercharger will not give you the *****-to-the-wall power that a turbo will give you...at least not a Camden. That having been said, I love mine, and I'm not even pushing much air through right now. I just think it's a fun alternative to a turbo, and it's MUCH easier to install...no fabricating at all...just bolt it on. Everyone has to make there own choice about whether it's worth it or not...for me it definitely is.

Rich

 

im definately debating between the two... the thing i like about a blower is that it does bolt on. and i wont have to get a new exhaust for it. im starting to lean towards a camden, partially because i want to be able to do it myself, and trying to piece up and maintain a turbo system seems like a little much for me.

wat kind of hp are you guys getting with a camdem? with wat mods and how much did u get yur kits for??

thanks

 

Read the first post.

Go ***** out with an 800cfm carb and tons of tuneing. you can hope for close to 200hp.

 

*4 Stock if yu would be interested I may be able to find a SC I was talking about at the shop and send it to you for testing. They look relitively the same and with all the hardware and barkets and plates off your system i should bolt up. I would really like to see the difference in these to.

 

Exactly!


I love my Supercharger. I drove it to Chicago (about 80 miles there and back) last weekend in the 90 degree heat we had here. No problems at all. Temp was normal, and it is a blast to drive. I also just love the originality. There's what? 5 know first gen supercharged rx-7's? The fun factor makes up for the lack of power.