Anyone who is supercharged...
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Well I gotta say I like my s/c. Having grown up with v8's in my day and run a few big blocks (camaro, chevelle, trans am, grand prix) and some sports cars as well (240z) I have an appreciation for the instant toque and streetability of the camden. Less efficient than a whipple, yes, but does whipple provide a bolt on kit, NO! The thing with the camden that "is" attractive is the simplicity, bolt on the right carb, get the air fuel right and you're pretty much set. If my camden died would I see if whipple (twin screw) could modify one to fit with my "kit" for a comparable price to the camden, yeah, why not. If you're a high rev'n 4 cyl honda fan you'll definitely prefer a turbo and rev'n the snot out of your car with the high hp potential. I personally like the torque and wide powerband. I "loved" the feel of my 240z and the torque of the camaro, so I now get much of moth. Sure if you wanna see much over 10lb boost you'll be rotating the **** out of the camden and wearing it out. I have tried 4 different pullies to experiment, gonna try a different carb and then water/methanol (for the heat issue, which "IS" an issue). The setup does have a purpose, they have provided great support to me, they claim 30% increase in hp and more torque which it fullfills. Do they claim to have produced anywhere near 300hp with it, no! Look at what it promises and it does deliver. If you want more power for your buck, are extremely computer literate and have a good laptop, comfortable with setting up and programming a standalone unit and boost control then yeah a turbo will get much much more for you money (likely double the hp). If your not comfortable with the above, prepare to pay the piper to have someone do it for you. With the camden, most people can do most of the work themselves which in itself is rewarding. Just make sure you "know" exactly what you want!
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a friend of mine has a s/c and he loves it. he always gives me crap about it saying that it feels just like my car plus *****.
This spring we'll have to see about that since i finished making my aluminum flywheel (ended up being 8.75 lbs.) and i am about to finish my street ported motor (just haven't gotten around to putting the oil pan on it yet), so we'll see what happens
This spring we'll have to see about that since i finished making my aluminum flywheel (ended up being 8.75 lbs.) and i am about to finish my street ported motor (just haven't gotten around to putting the oil pan on it yet), so we'll see what happens
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He changes his mind almost by the hour about that thing!
Anyway, most people 'love' the roots/positive displacements because they don't change the feel at all. It's the exact same feeling as the car was before, just with a rather small ammount of oomph added everywhere.
The torque arguement for the camden can't be disputed below 2K rpm, there aren't any graph available below 2K rpm, so it's anybodys territory down there. Over 2K rpm, and even a LARGE turbo upgrade produces more torque than the Camden from 2K rpm up. The only difference is it continues to build more, rather than staying flat. Which produces the powerband arguement, unless you're racing on the smallest autocross course in the world, and are rather inexperienced, the car with the most power all over it's powerband is going to end up winning.
Best for daily driven? In my opinion, turbo. You're not constantly dragging a bulky supercharger at any RPM (and no, the camden does not have a bypass), you can accelerate without building boost (again, saves gas), and the relative ease (and support) for installation/upgrades. And the list goes on and on.
The bolt-on debate come down to how much you want to pay and the name. There are members and places you can get a kit fabricated for you, either a supercharger or turbo, however they don't explicitly advertise and usually do it upon request. If you want one that's available off the shelf, then Camden it is.
Anyway, most people 'love' the roots/positive displacements because they don't change the feel at all. It's the exact same feeling as the car was before, just with a rather small ammount of oomph added everywhere.
The torque arguement for the camden can't be disputed below 2K rpm, there aren't any graph available below 2K rpm, so it's anybodys territory down there. Over 2K rpm, and even a LARGE turbo upgrade produces more torque than the Camden from 2K rpm up. The only difference is it continues to build more, rather than staying flat. Which produces the powerband arguement, unless you're racing on the smallest autocross course in the world, and are rather inexperienced, the car with the most power all over it's powerband is going to end up winning.
Best for daily driven? In my opinion, turbo. You're not constantly dragging a bulky supercharger at any RPM (and no, the camden does not have a bypass), you can accelerate without building boost (again, saves gas), and the relative ease (and support) for installation/upgrades. And the list goes on and on.
The bolt-on debate come down to how much you want to pay and the name. There are members and places you can get a kit fabricated for you, either a supercharger or turbo, however they don't explicitly advertise and usually do it upon request. If you want one that's available off the shelf, then Camden it is.