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Old 12-29-03 | 06:44 PM
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accel or moroso

i wanna hear your opinions about wich ones you like accel 300+ thundersport wires or moroso blue max wire
Old 12-29-03 | 07:40 PM
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I use Moroso now and have used the 300's in the past. If there's a difference, I couldn't see it, feel it, or otherwise realize it.
Old 12-29-03 | 08:24 PM
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i have used accel thundersport 300's and i like them. i have heard reputable things about moroso. i think you would be ok with either. if you have a stock ignition system, i would reccomend the stock ngk's.
Old 12-29-03 | 09:36 PM
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I doubt youll see a difference. FWIW I usr blue max wires in the racecar, and stock replacements in the streetcar.
Old 12-30-03 | 01:53 AM
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I currently have Moroso Ones in the car, and they don;t look or feel as "high Quality" as the Thundersports ones I previously had.
Old 12-30-03 | 03:49 AM
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Carl what are Blue Max? They sound blue. are they? i want some!
Old 12-30-03 | 06:06 AM
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They are spiral wound wires. Good quality. Yes they come in blue by default, but other colors are availible, like yellow for TJ. Summit carries premade sets for 1st gens, or you can get universal ones if you run a direct fire setup.
Old 12-30-03 | 01:45 PM
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I like the Accel wires, haven't run the Morosos because I tend to associate their name with SBCs too much and it offends my rotary sensibilities.

The BEST wires I ever used were the ones that I made myself using solid-core copper wire in an 8mm jacket at a total cost of under 10 bucks. One time I pulled up behind a cop who started slapping at his radio and lookin' around. You can't put a price on fun like that!
Old 12-30-03 | 03:18 PM
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I have used both the Moroso and Accel. I like the Moroso better because they seem to plug in better and make better contact. They had a nice audible click and stayed in, where the Accel ones just slid in there.

I currently have Accel on this car and would like to replace them with Moroso if that tells ya anything.
Old 12-30-03 | 04:37 PM
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i jsut replce mine accel wire with moroso one and man what a difference when starting and revs quicker plus i think is because the accel one were two years old
Old 12-30-03 | 06:43 PM
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i have magnecore wires in mine
Old 12-30-03 | 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by Wankelguy
I like the Accel wires, haven't run the Morosos because I tend to associate their name with SBCs too much and it offends my rotary sensibilities.

The BEST wires I ever used were the ones that I made myself using solid-core copper wire in an 8mm jacket at a total cost of under 10 bucks. One time I pulled up behind a cop who started slapping at his radio and lookin' around. You can't put a price on fun like that!
LOL, but you cant use solid wires with an MSD.
Old 12-30-03 | 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Rx7carl
LOL, but you cant use solid wires with an MSD.
So the MSD box wants to see some wire resistance, eh?That's good to know as I was thinking of making up a set for my FIESTA, and I just got an MSD5 box on this FIESTA parts car that I just scored for $75.
Or is the MSD5 box way different from the one that people use on rotaries? Anyway, thanks for the tip.
Old 12-30-03 | 08:16 PM
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i use napa wires
they are fine
Old 12-30-03 | 10:17 PM
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I had the Morosos, used them for about 8k miles before they fell apart. Very cheaply made, very low quality, perfect trash bin fodder.
Old 12-31-03 | 12:22 AM
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i don't like accel period, i have bought 3 accel super stock coils for my direct fire setup, and 2 of them stopped working after 1 month, there 110 dollars down the drian
Old 12-31-03 | 12:32 AM
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I use Taylor wires

Our local supplier had so many coils fail from Accel that they stopped stocking the line.. only if someone wants it will they order it..

We don't get moroso wires up here either..
Old 12-31-03 | 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by Wankelguy
So the MSD box wants to see some wire resistance, eh?That's good to know as I was thinking of making up a set for my FIESTA, and I just got an MSD5 box on this FIESTA parts car that I just scored for $75.
Or is the MSD5 box way different from the one that people use on rotaries? Anyway, thanks for the tip.
No, its not that. My Moroso spiralwound wires are not resistor wires and work great. Soild core wires emit ALOT of EMI as you know. That interferes with the MSD functioning correctly.
Old 12-31-03 | 11:21 AM
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Did not know that...

News to me..
Old 12-31-03 | 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Rx7carl
No, its not that. My Moroso spiralwound wires are not resistor wires and work great. Soild core wires emit ALOT of EMI as you know. That interferes with the MSD functioning correctly.
Not trying to start an argument, but spiral-wound wires DO have resistance. (150 ohms/foot on the Accels IIRC)
It is this resistance that suppresses EMI emission.
The main advantage to spiral-wound ferric-conductor wires is that they do not degrade in time like regular carbon-string wires, which also have much higher resistance to begin with. I'm thinking that if the MSD boxes are susceptible to EMI, maybe one could add a Mu-metal shield to good effect? Has anyone tried this?
Old 12-31-03 | 02:11 PM
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Re: Did not know that...

Originally posted by jimwww
News to me..
Read the first page.

http://www.msdignition.com/pdf/6series.pdf
Old 12-31-03 | 02:16 PM
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Can MSD coils be put on a 85 rx7... I thought only a Mazda OEM would work there.. I mean it does have two coils..
Old 12-31-03 | 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Wankelguy
Not trying to start an argument, but spiral-wound wires DO have resistance. (150 ohms/foot on the Accels IIRC)
It is this resistance that suppresses EMI emission.
The main advantage to spiral-wound ferric-conductor wires is that they do not degrade in time like regular carbon-string wires, which also have much higher resistance to begin with. I'm thinking that if the MSD boxes are susceptible to EMI, maybe one could add a Mu-metal shield to good effect? Has anyone tried this?
No you are correct, there is SOME resistance in the spiral wires, but however I will argue that the reason they emit little EMI is cause of the spiral winding. Do you know about the left hand rule of magnetism?

Sheilding soilds may or may not work, as they emit ALOT of EMI.
Old 12-31-03 | 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Rx7carl
No you are correct, there is SOME resistance in the spiral wires, but however I will argue that the reason they emit little EMI is cause of the spiral winding. Do you know about the left hand rule of magnetism?

Sheilding soilds may or may not work, as they emit ALOT of EMI.
The left hand rule of magnetism?
Good god, it's been 20 years since that was covered in tech school.
Refresh my memory and maybe I'll agree with you.

Also, remember the Racing Bleat "Red-hot" wires that were essentially a solid-conductor wire with a resistor soldered on the end for EMI suppression?
Old 12-31-03 | 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Wankelguy
I like the Accel wires, haven't run the Morosos because I tend to associate their name with SBCs too much and it offends my rotary sensibilities.

The BEST wires I ever used were the ones that I made myself using solid-core copper wire in an 8mm jacket at a total cost of under 10 bucks. One time I pulled up behind a cop who started slapping at his radio and lookin' around. You can't put a price on fun like that!
where can you get the stuff for solid wires
10$ sounds nice to me


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