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Old 03-05-04, 04:28 PM
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cdrad51, are your pictures named aak.sized.jpg for a reason? That would be sad
Old 03-05-04, 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jon_Valjean
I guess I'm just pessamistic, but:

Yah. no problem, everyone has their opinions. That's why I asked.

Yeah, it's a much better idea to talk to a garage who wants your money, than the 10,000+ members who frequent these forums and have real world experience with the FB RX7.

Just consider what you want from the car, that's all I ask. Your requests might be just a little unreasonable for a chassis that is pushing 25 years old.
Actually, though unaffected by your candor on the subject, we have determined that a 20B in the fb would be unfeasible and purely for the novelty of it.

We are considering other options for the rebuild of the 12A.
Old 03-05-04, 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rotor13B
Btw, nice fb, got any more pics?
Yah:

I took that pic earlier today. That's as far as I have gotten on her, as far as taking the engine out goes. She's missing an apex seal on the front rotor. I'm stuck at this point without an engine hoist.

Here's a pic of her before I bought her 2 weeks ago (by her previous owner):


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good luck with it
when i owned that car it turned lots of heads around town. black with panasports mmmmmm. in the end i sold it because i prefer a sleeper. i actually got pulled over once doing nothing wrong because he thought i looked fast i guess (was going the speed limit hehe).
if Tito could make that car as nice as Derricks fd id be impressed

-Gamble
HEY!! There he is! What's up? You don't talk on AIM anymore? I tried you a while ago, but got ignored.

Umm...do you happen to know just exactly how long Jacob had been running water only in the coolant system?

We are going to SP it, if the engine is salvagable.
Old 03-06-04, 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by AdrenalifeRX7
What's so big about beating a Viper?
That they spent 80k on their car and they got beat by a sports car from the 80's with probably around 10k invested. The look on thier face would be priceless.
Old 03-06-04, 01:30 AM
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Why did you said:
we have determined that a 20B in the fb would be
unfeasible ?

i am in process to do it... 20B in a 25 years old car is
just so cool... the reason why i want ti do it is because
nobody do it ... bot you can see some RX-3 whit 20B
swapped... that's more than 25 years old

evrything is feasible if you want...

go on evrybody... do what people think impossible to do!

( sory for my bad english...)
Old 03-06-04, 04:42 AM
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I don't see why it'd be impossible. It's just the question wether it's worth it. You can get 400+hp from a cheaper 13B REW, so that should be plenty enough.
However, the idea of having three rotors in my 1st gen is appealing, and I'd just love to see it done.
I'm not sure if it makes sense to do it, but it sure would be great to see it done.
Old 03-06-04, 04:57 AM
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sure 400hp is alot, But is you wanted to seriously get into drag racing, you would get a 3 rotor, or if u had enough money, attempt a 4, u no, Somthing with alot more potential to really kick some ***. I guess all u gotta do is alot of research on the completed 4 rotor projects and learn from their mistooks. and mabe get a sponsor or 12. lol.
Old 03-06-04, 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by RotaryRevn
That they spent 80k on their car and they got beat by a sports car from the 80's with probably around 10k invested. The look on thier face would be priceless.

Then there's nothing to be afraid of now is there ?
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Originally posted by RX-Jesus
mx5rx7girl

Why did you said:
we have determined that a 20B in the fb would be
unfeasible ?

i am in process to do it... 20B in a 25 years old car is
just so cool... the reason why i want ti do it is because
nobody do it ... bot you can see some RX-3 whit 20B
swapped... that's more than 25 years old

evrything is feasible if you want...

go on evrybody... do what people think impossible to do!

( sory for my bad english...)
I think my words have been mistunderstood. :o

from the dictionary:
Unfeasible, adj. that which cannot be done or carried out easily; not possible without difficulty or damage
I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's not the right choice for me or my car. More power to you if you are doing the conversion.

I just didn't think anyone would want to know all my business on the matter, but if we spend less money on this fb, we can budget more money for getting an fc or fd in the future. The fb is only the start of our collection of RX-7s.
Old 03-06-04, 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by mx5rx7girl
Yah:

I took that pic earlier today. That's as far as I have gotten on her, as far as taking the engine out goes. She's missing an apex seal on the front rotor. I'm stuck at this point without an engine hoist.

1) is that pic photoshoped? where the hell are you were its white all around the matrix

2) if you want to be cheap.. you can either rent a hoist or make one out of scafleing(i cant spell) and a come-a-long
Old 03-06-04, 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by RX-Jesus
mx5rx7girl

Why did you said:
we have determined that a 20B in the fb would be
unfeasible ?

i am in process to do it... 20B in a 25 years old car is
just so cool... the reason why i want ti do it is because
nobody do it ... bot you can see some RX-3 whit 20B
swapped... that's more than 25 years old

evrything is feasible if you want...

go on evrybody... do what people think impossible to do!

( sory for my bad english...)
ok i'm in the middle of doing a 20b swap in my 1st gen.....first i had mounted the motor without cutting the firewall and it was horrible.......i made a custom oilpan & crossmember but that didnt solve the major weight problems we were having....in mounted the motor the convertional way i had to move the radiator 12" foward....the front of the car was very heavy because 1/2 of the 20b was hanging over the front struts.....apart from the unsafe weight problems we had were the stock twins,they just wont fit.....dont get me wrong it'll work this way,but it'll be a unstable car on the track cuz of weight distribution issues....
after carefull tinkering with 4 scales i was able to get the car to be better that stock with a 50/50 weight distribution....i moved my motor 12" back into the firewall with a custom crossmember..my crossmember was made to support the lower control arm and bolt to the frame rails....i wanted the motor to sit very low into the engine bay so i had to build another oil pan & modify the steering linkage to work around the oil pan....the other problem was mounting the tranny,i had to remove the trans tunnel and replace it with sheet metal cuz the factory tunnel was to small to hold the t2 trans........with the motor 12" back i had the shifter sitting behind the front seat .....i had to strip the t2 trans and machine the tail housing & shaft 10" foward...

now since you're forced to use a single turbo, a unported motor will make about 400hp with heaps of torque....the factory rear wont be reliable with that 20b,thats y i opted for a 9" rear....all in all i plan on spending close to $30k in my conversion, and thats with me doing most of the labour.....i regret selling out my 13bT conversion,i would of make heaps of usable power with way less money...
Old 03-06-04, 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by RoTaRyBoYz
ok i'm in the middle of doing a 20b swap in my 1st gen.....first i had mounted the motor without cutting the firewall and it was horrible.......i made a custom oilpan & crossmember but that didnt solve the major weight problems we were having....in mounted the motor the convertional way i had to move the radiator 12" foward....the front of the car was very heavy because 1/2 of the 20b was hanging over the front struts.....apart from the unsafe weight problems we had were the stock twins,they just wont fit.....dont get me wrong it'll work this way,but it'll be a unstable car on the track cuz of weight distribution issues....
after carefull tinkering with 4 scales i was able to get the car to be better that stock with a 50/50 weight distribution....i moved my motor 12" back into the firewall with a custom crossmember..my crossmember was made to support the lower control arm and bolt to the frame rails....i wanted the motor to sit very low into the engine bay so i had to build another oil pan & modify the steering linkage to work around the oil pan....the other problem was mounting the tranny,i had to remove the trans tunnel and replace it with sheet metal cuz the factory tunnel was to small to hold the t2 trans........with the motor 12" back i had the shifter sitting behind the front seat .....i had to strip the t2 trans and machine the tail housing & shaft 10" foward...

now since you're forced to use a single turbo, a unported motor will make about 400hp with heaps of torque....the factory rear wont be reliable with that 20b,thats y i opted for a 9" rear....all in all i plan on spending close to $30k in my conversion, and thats with me doing most of the labour.....i regret selling out my 13bT conversion,i would of make heaps of usable power with way less money...
if you would not mind please post as many pics as youo have! must see!
Old 03-06-04, 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by RoTaRyBoYz
now since you're forced to use a single turbo, a unported motor will make about 400hp with heaps of torque....the factory rear wont be reliable with that 20b,thats y i opted for a 9" rear....all in all i plan on spending close to $30k in my conversion, and thats with me doing most of the labour.....i regret selling out my 13bT conversion,i would of make heaps of usable power with way less money...
At the end of it though, you'll have one of the few 20B FBs. That's what started driving you early on I'm sure, right?

(and yes, I'm still respecting the buried hatchet - this is a sincere statement and not meant to prod you in any way, shape or form)
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Originally posted by 81Rex6port13b
1) is that pic photoshoped? where the hell are you were its white all around the matrix

Why the hell would I chop the pic??
It's in my garage. The walls are painted.

2) if you want to be cheap.. you can either rent a hoist or make one out of scafleing(i cant spell) and a come-a-long
Yah, I am going to rent one. $25/day gets me one that I can hook to my miata's trailer hitch; no need to borrow a pickup.
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At least one earlier post indicated something about too much torque from a 20B?!?! I've driven a lot of cars -- everything from Vipers to Indy Car replicas to my 13B Street Port RX-7 to my Dodge Dakota with a Limited Slip and a 4.7L V8, and the one thing I can't even imagine is too much torque. I don't even understand the concept. Unless you're breaking parts in your car because of the torque (which is a different issue that can be fixed with the right upgrades), there is no downside.

If you think torque is uncontrollable, you're probably not using your right foot properly. When you have more of it you can't just floor the accelerator with reckless abandon. With 120 lb-ft, you can just go ahead and boot the gas whenever you want to. With 300 lb-ft, you need to be more judicious.

Look at it this way: When you stop your car, you have to modulate the brakes (assuming you don't have ABS). Your brakes generate enough torque that they are capable of locking up the wheels at any time, at any speed. Therefore you can't just stomp on them when you're going 100 mph without bad things happening. Now when's the last time you complained that your brakes were too powerful?

The true beauty of a torquey NA engine is that the gas pedal is like a power rheostat. Need more -- just press harder and you get a proportional amount of response -- right now! No lag, no hesitation, no unexpected power peaks.

Torque is like sex. The only time it's bad is when there isn't any.
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What is Gamble302 up to these days? Does he still have a rex?
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