2007 Rx-7
12-24-05 | 10:25 PM
#26
Originally Posted by Tranquil
Oh poo, someone beat me to posting the Autoweek forums.
Well, I'll look into it with my Grandpa. He's a pimp of a retired Ford factory man.
Well, I'll look into it with my Grandpa. He's a pimp of a retired Ford factory man.
12-24-05 | 10:32 PM
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I made a pretty neat photochopped Mazda 3, chopped up and stretehed out to FD proportons. If anybody feels like hosting it for me, PM me. This whole thread is mostly BS anyway, so why not have some fun w/ it.
12-24-05 | 11:12 PM
#30
Originally Posted by The Wankler
Who is he? My grandfather used to walk and work with Henry F2, and Lee. Worked for Ford for 30 years, then went on to be president of Chrysler in 1978.
But he still knows people.
12-24-05 | 11:32 PM
#31
My .02 cents
Mazda coming out with an RX-7 is stupid, I know to use it sounds like the worlds best idea. In the long run it would be stupid for them to stop making 8's and go back to a 7. Or even continue making both. The market isnt there. I hate to say it, but America is all about big things. Trucks are flooding the market. Every where you look there is a new truck, new bigger, heavier SUV's hell even porshe has an SUV. For gosh sakes honda has a full size truck, even mitshibitchi has a truck.
Next thing you know Mazda will be coming out with a full size truck, which would be stupid!
As much as it hurst me to say, Mazda should stick to what they have done best, Cars. We should be lucky that we still have a rotary around. Let the 7 go. You cant build on an already legendary car. Bring me an RX-9 Then will be talking!
-Matt
Mazda coming out with an RX-7 is stupid, I know to use it sounds like the worlds best idea. In the long run it would be stupid for them to stop making 8's and go back to a 7. Or even continue making both. The market isnt there. I hate to say it, but America is all about big things. Trucks are flooding the market. Every where you look there is a new truck, new bigger, heavier SUV's hell even porshe has an SUV. For gosh sakes honda has a full size truck, even mitshibitchi has a truck.
Next thing you know Mazda will be coming out with a full size truck, which would be stupid!
As much as it hurst me to say, Mazda should stick to what they have done best, Cars. We should be lucky that we still have a rotary around. Let the 7 go. You cant build on an already legendary car. Bring me an RX-9 Then will be talking!
-Matt
12-25-05 | 12:13 AM
#32
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i agree with mattg, but then again i think mazda should just straight up quite making pissed-on engines and put rotaries in everything, flood the damn market with rotaries....lol jk would like to see a new rotary powered beast though. but they cant go back to the 7 its too late they f-ed up when they quite bringing them to america in 94 or 95 whatever then they f-ed up again by stopping production of the worlds best car in 2002....now they just need to improve on the 8 or move on to the 9, i mean would you ever think it acceptable to start producing rx-101's(<--i thinks thats what i mean) again.....HELL NO.
12-25-05 | 12:25 AM
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I think a new RX-7 would be the coolest car on the road. I just hope that if Mazda decides to make it, they have the good sense to evolve the FD, instead of turning it into a 2-door RX-8 or a Miata's big brother. Imaging a Renisis-powered Elise eater! 
IMO the FD is one of the best looking cars on the road, period. The fact that the design's over 10 years old says a lot, and I think Mazda oughtta stick to that winning formula. People have a lot of opinions on the way the RX-8 looks, but when the FD came out, it was universally drooled over, by every car journalist--and little kid--- out there.
IMO the FD is one of the best looking cars on the road, period. The fact that the design's over 10 years old says a lot, and I think Mazda oughtta stick to that winning formula. People have a lot of opinions on the way the RX-8 looks, but when the FD came out, it was universally drooled over, by every car journalist--and little kid--- out there.
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12-25-05 | 12:42 AM
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IMO the FD is one of the best looking cars on the road, period. The fact that the design's over 10 years old says a lot, and I think Mazda oughtta stick to that winning formula. People have a lot of opinions on the way the RX-8 looks, but when the FD came out, it was universally drooled over, by every car journalist--and little kid--- out there.
12-25-05 | 01:00 AM
#35
First off the Pic is a total chop.. I really hope the new rx7 doesn't look like a fugly version of an rx8 if they even ever make one. If they do though they NEED a 20b option.
Not if it they made a rotary 20b powered truck!
Originally Posted by MattG
Next thing you know Mazda will be coming out with a full size truck, which would be stupid!
12-25-05 | 01:03 AM
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If they make a 4th gen RX-7 it should be modeled in line with the FD. Period. That chassis and that body as it is now would sell VERY well, and look a hell of a lot better than the **** we got now like a 350Z, the Turbo4 twins, etc. Its BEAUTIFUL.
I heard theyre making a wider version of the 13b (along the axis of the e-shaft) for increased displacement and, because of the better geometry, more efficiency. If they put it in a car worthy to be a successor of the FD (stiffer chassis, same double wishbones, same light weight or at least less than 3K lbs) it could get some good sales with good MARKETING.
But, well, ford owns Mazda and making a bucks the bottom line, and america might not want another rotary right now because:
1. the FD had.. well, its quirks and you had to know your **** to keep the twins working, among other things that might blow the engine
2. the RX-8 has no damn torque and burns fuel unless you chip it because the WONDERFUL retards at the EPA made it run rich to cool the EG to make the CAT last longer
3. Buyers of the new RX-7 might think theyre gonna get some bastard mix of the two of them.
Americans like Torque. Having to row gears and shift properly to keep the engine pegged high is fun but ultimately isnt the fastest way to go and a lot of people dont like that, and Mazda has to make MONEY, not make a cognoscenti happy...
So, I hope that "16G" or whatever the hell that wider rotary is called is used in the RX-7, if they make one. More torque and more efficiency is good in my book.
However, the way ford is, they might just get a RX-8 chassis and stick the 2.3 liter turbo from the Mazdaspeed6 in it and call it something totally different, and have their top end sports car. It wont be a rotary, but at least it will perform well.
I heard theyre making a wider version of the 13b (along the axis of the e-shaft) for increased displacement and, because of the better geometry, more efficiency. If they put it in a car worthy to be a successor of the FD (stiffer chassis, same double wishbones, same light weight or at least less than 3K lbs) it could get some good sales with good MARKETING.
But, well, ford owns Mazda and making a bucks the bottom line, and america might not want another rotary right now because:
1. the FD had.. well, its quirks and you had to know your **** to keep the twins working, among other things that might blow the engine
2. the RX-8 has no damn torque and burns fuel unless you chip it because the WONDERFUL retards at the EPA made it run rich to cool the EG to make the CAT last longer
3. Buyers of the new RX-7 might think theyre gonna get some bastard mix of the two of them.
Americans like Torque. Having to row gears and shift properly to keep the engine pegged high is fun but ultimately isnt the fastest way to go and a lot of people dont like that, and Mazda has to make MONEY, not make a cognoscenti happy...
So, I hope that "16G" or whatever the hell that wider rotary is called is used in the RX-7, if they make one. More torque and more efficiency is good in my book.
However, the way ford is, they might just get a RX-8 chassis and stick the 2.3 liter turbo from the Mazdaspeed6 in it and call it something totally different, and have their top end sports car. It wont be a rotary, but at least it will perform well.
12-25-05 | 01:09 AM
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I'm going to say what I've said all along. The Rx7 stopped being produced in 2002. Great. If they want a real true sports car that is a two seater, with 300+ horsepower either build upon the Rx8 platform, or move to the Rx9. Mazda built the Cosmo and the Rx7 at the same time, they could build an Rx8 and Rx9 at the same time. Move forward, not backward. Bringing back the Rx7 would be almost as bad as bringing back the Charger and the GTO. They have all ceased production, so let the names die with their production, and let the legends of their names live on.
The Rx7 will never be able to match what it was as a third generation, and I would argue that it wouldn't be as fun to drive as any of the three generations we already know and love.
They would try and bombard it down with luxuries and options making it well over the 3,000 lb marker. Obviously they wouldn't have to do that, but who would buy one other than the hardcore rotary engine and racing enthusiasts? If they make a car for those two categories of people then the majority of the cars would sit in dealerships waiting to be bought, and it would be obvious that people were buying more Rx8's then fourth gen 7's. American's crave options. The models with more options are more saught after than the base models.
Perhaps I am too devoured in the idea of moving forward, but let the past be that, and move forward.
The Rx7 will never be able to match what it was as a third generation, and I would argue that it wouldn't be as fun to drive as any of the three generations we already know and love.
They would try and bombard it down with luxuries and options making it well over the 3,000 lb marker. Obviously they wouldn't have to do that, but who would buy one other than the hardcore rotary engine and racing enthusiasts? If they make a car for those two categories of people then the majority of the cars would sit in dealerships waiting to be bought, and it would be obvious that people were buying more Rx8's then fourth gen 7's. American's crave options. The models with more options are more saught after than the base models.
Perhaps I am too devoured in the idea of moving forward, but let the past be that, and move forward.
12-25-05 | 01:21 AM
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Crash safety **** is whats raising the weight of cars these days... sports cars can get away with rough NVH **** if the target audience is willing to deal with it.
I personally want mazda to make another top end sports car because I like having a good chassis. I can deal with slow more than I can deal with lame brakes and handling - but I'd much, much rather have fast and good handling :P.
Regardless, they need to either make that bigger, more efficient rotary, or take that forged duratec from the Mazdaspeed6 and put one of them in some sports car. The RX-8 has a great chassis but the renesis (IMO) is more suited for something smaller and ligther than a 8. And, at the end of the day, its still basically a N/A 2.6 liter. You gotta bump the displacement or boost it to go up against the 350Z, STi/Evo, etc.
That "1.6" liter rotary and a FE chassis would mix really well, or the duratec and the FE imho. Oh, and well, a sportier body. But you have to remember making a new chassis costs $$$ and the bean counters wont like that!
I personally want mazda to make another top end sports car because I like having a good chassis. I can deal with slow more than I can deal with lame brakes and handling - but I'd much, much rather have fast and good handling :P.
Regardless, they need to either make that bigger, more efficient rotary, or take that forged duratec from the Mazdaspeed6 and put one of them in some sports car. The RX-8 has a great chassis but the renesis (IMO) is more suited for something smaller and ligther than a 8. And, at the end of the day, its still basically a N/A 2.6 liter. You gotta bump the displacement or boost it to go up against the 350Z, STi/Evo, etc.
That "1.6" liter rotary and a FE chassis would mix really well, or the duratec and the FE imho. Oh, and well, a sportier body. But you have to remember making a new chassis costs $$$ and the bean counters wont like that!
12-25-05 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MIDNFauciUSN
they should look at the purpose of the lotus elise... and change it up
I mean ****, just eyeballing a dyno graph lets you know the higher one could kick in before that bog and smooth it out. But oh well, if you want a VTEC, get a honda.
12-25-05 | 01:42 AM
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I agree that the Renesis is better suited for a lighter car, but what rotary engine isn't better suited for a lighter car? A car weighing around the same as an Elise all the way up to FD weight at 2,800 lbs would be ideal for a rotary engine. Anything over that would defeat the point of making a true sports car engine like the rotary engine, would it not?
My opinion on the Rx8 is that Mazda just wanted to put a car out that would appeal to a wide audience, and make enough money to keep the rotary engine alive; not so much building a true sports car.
As far as the idea that safety equipment is making things heavier, in part I agree. It obviously does add weight, but look at the Mx-5. It only weighs 22 pounds heavier (based on an article in Car & Driver) with all of those safety features upgraded. Look at sports bikes, they have gone through tons of safety equipment upgrades over the years too, and now they are lighter than ever.
My opinion on the Rx8 is that Mazda just wanted to put a car out that would appeal to a wide audience, and make enough money to keep the rotary engine alive; not so much building a true sports car.
As far as the idea that safety equipment is making things heavier, in part I agree. It obviously does add weight, but look at the Mx-5. It only weighs 22 pounds heavier (based on an article in Car & Driver) with all of those safety features upgraded. Look at sports bikes, they have gone through tons of safety equipment upgrades over the years too, and now they are lighter than ever.
12-25-05 | 01:53 AM
#42
Back in the 70s when they were designing the concept for the RX-7 they said
"The Rx-7 will be the definitive rotary engine sports car"
I think that stands true. None of the other RX-7 were true sports cars. Of course they were all still badass.
So by that quote there is reasoning other than monopolizing on a "household name" for making another one.
And I still say photochop, unfortunately.
"The Rx-7 will be the definitive rotary engine sports car"
I think that stands true. None of the other RX-7 were true sports cars. Of course they were all still badass.
So by that quote there is reasoning other than monopolizing on a "household name" for making another one.
And I still say photochop, unfortunately.
12-25-05 | 11:02 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Crash safety **** is whats raising the weight of cars these days... sports cars can get away with rough NVH **** if the target audience is willing to deal with it.
I personally want mazda to make another top end sports car because I like having a good chassis. I can deal with slow more than I can deal with lame brakes and handling - but I'd much, much rather have fast and good handling :P.
Regardless, they need to either make that bigger, more efficient rotary, or take that forged duratec from the Mazdaspeed6 and put one of them in some sports car. The RX-8 has a great chassis but the renesis (IMO) is more suited for something smaller and ligther than a 8. And, at the end of the day, its still basically a N/A 2.6 liter. You gotta bump the displacement or boost it to go up against the 350Z, STi/Evo, etc.
That "1.6" liter rotary and a FE chassis would mix really well, or the duratec and the FE imho. Oh, and well, a sportier body. But you have to remember making a new chassis costs $$$ and the bean counters wont like that!
I personally want mazda to make another top end sports car because I like having a good chassis. I can deal with slow more than I can deal with lame brakes and handling - but I'd much, much rather have fast and good handling :P.
Regardless, they need to either make that bigger, more efficient rotary, or take that forged duratec from the Mazdaspeed6 and put one of them in some sports car. The RX-8 has a great chassis but the renesis (IMO) is more suited for something smaller and ligther than a 8. And, at the end of the day, its still basically a N/A 2.6 liter. You gotta bump the displacement or boost it to go up against the 350Z, STi/Evo, etc.
That "1.6" liter rotary and a FE chassis would mix really well, or the duratec and the FE imho. Oh, and well, a sportier body. But you have to remember making a new chassis costs $$$ and the bean counters wont like that!
Ford Motor Company has a vast wealth of makers under them:
Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Pantara, and FoMoCo of Europe.
There are plenty of chassis out there for them to use.
There is already an engine in place for them to use.
What we need is to let them know that we want it.
Jay
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12-25-05 | 12:20 PM
#44
rotaryenginepete
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Originally Posted by jfachner72
Keep in mind who you are talking about here.
Ford Motor Company has a vast wealth of makers under them:
Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Pantara, and FoMoCo of Europe.
There are plenty of chassis out there for them to use.
There is already an engine in place for them to use.
What we need is to let them know that we want it.
Jay
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Ford Motor Company has a vast wealth of makers under them:
Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Pantara, and FoMoCo of Europe.
There are plenty of chassis out there for them to use.
There is already an engine in place for them to use.
What we need is to let them know that we want it.
Jay
1984 FB
FMC Employee
basically i'm sayin pipe down and give it up!
oh yeah, and Merry Christmas
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12-25-05 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Doubleohsmurf
Ford only has 33% shareholders value in Mazda and some shared (not owned) platforms, most of which Mazda produces products for Ford (MZR, EBD, etc), and a few like the ranger that they slap mazda badges on for B2200. The factory that burned down was a paint factory, not the RE shop. Your chops and false rumors are just another thread to get nOObs all fired up over nothing. Sure Mazda may make another RX7, but it isnt new info coming from you, and it sure as hell wont be as butt ugly as your homemade chops...
basically i'm sayin pipe down and give it up!
oh yeah, and Merry Christmas
basically i'm sayin pipe down and give it up!
oh yeah, and Merry Christmas
In 1994 Ford took control of Mazda through the Auto allience.
Regardless of who starts the platform the reality is that its a Ford product.
and to let you know the Mazda6 platform (CD3 for us Ford guys) dates back to the Mondao (Ford of Europe)
The DEW98 platform which Mazda might use for their next car came from the Lincoln LS and the T-Bird.
The B-series is a Ranger and its builty in the USA
The Tribute is and Escape and its built in the USA
The "6" is the Fusion,Milan,Zypher (Owned By Ford)
Lastly "FlyBoy" i didnt do the chops all i did is provide some pics and pass some information along from my contacts at the company.
Replys are surly welcomed
Jay
1984 FB
12-25-05 | 12:59 PM
#47
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"1ST GENS" THE REAL RX-7!
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12-25-05 | 02:03 PM
#48
rotaryenginepete
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Actually you're the one who's facts are not straight...you should read those articles closer instead of filling the facts with your fantasies. Thats called "yellow journalism."
I find it funny how defensive you have become. I never said Mazda didn't share platforms with Ford, as it does. Yes, they share some platforms, but that is a design and industry platform, and not the same car, nor engine. Sure the tribute/escape and rangers/b2200 are fords w/ mazda badges, anyone who couldn't notice that is dumb.
So "regardless of who starts the platform" the reality is that the all Mazdas, except the Tribute and B2200, are made in Japan by Mazda. Yes some parts may be shared but the overall product is a Madza. Mazda started the successful 6 and 3 those platforms and engines (i.e. the MZR) will be used for upcoming cars for Ford (Focus, Fusion, Zypher, etc.) It is simply the sharing of platforms through the alliance.
I never had my facts crooked in the first place, I simply rebuttled some of your lies to the RX7Club about a new RX7, a burned "rotary engine" production plant, and the statement that Ford owns Mazda...
Quotes obtained from www.media.mazda.com (must be a registered member to enter)
- Mazda to start full-scale restoration to resume the paint line at Ujina No.1 Plant -
- Ford and Mazda entered into a capital alliance in 1979 when Ford acquired a 25 percent stake in the Hiroshima-based company. That partnership was further strengthened in 1996 when Ford increased its stake in Mazda to 33.4 percent. -
I just don't like it when ppl waste threads on BS that they make up and then try to use the fact that they might work for Ford in an attempt to make their claim legit.
Originally Posted by jfachner72
You should get your facts straight before you get all loud "brainysmurf"
In 1994 Ford took control of Mazda through the Auto allience.
Regardless of who starts the platform the reality is that its a Ford product.
and to let you know the Mazda6 platform (CD3 for us Ford guys) dates back to the Mondao (Ford of Europe)
The DEW98 platform which Mazda might use for their next car came from the Lincoln LS and the T-Bird.
The B-series is a Ranger and its builty in the USA
The Tribute is and Escape and its built in the USA
The "6" is the Fusion,Milan,Zypher (Owned By Ford)
Lastly "FlyBoy" i didnt do the chops all i did is provide some pics and pass some information along from my contacts at the company.
Replys are surly welcomed
Jay
1984 FB
In 1994 Ford took control of Mazda through the Auto allience.
Regardless of who starts the platform the reality is that its a Ford product.
and to let you know the Mazda6 platform (CD3 for us Ford guys) dates back to the Mondao (Ford of Europe)
The DEW98 platform which Mazda might use for their next car came from the Lincoln LS and the T-Bird.
The B-series is a Ranger and its builty in the USA
The Tribute is and Escape and its built in the USA
The "6" is the Fusion,Milan,Zypher (Owned By Ford)
Lastly "FlyBoy" i didnt do the chops all i did is provide some pics and pass some information along from my contacts at the company.
Replys are surly welcomed
Jay
1984 FB
So "regardless of who starts the platform" the reality is that the all Mazdas, except the Tribute and B2200, are made in Japan by Mazda. Yes some parts may be shared but the overall product is a Madza. Mazda started the successful 6 and 3 those platforms and engines (i.e. the MZR) will be used for upcoming cars for Ford (Focus, Fusion, Zypher, etc.) It is simply the sharing of platforms through the alliance.
I never had my facts crooked in the first place, I simply rebuttled some of your lies to the RX7Club about a new RX7, a burned "rotary engine" production plant, and the statement that Ford owns Mazda...
Quotes obtained from www.media.mazda.com (must be a registered member to enter)
- Mazda to start full-scale restoration to resume the paint line at Ujina No.1 Plant -
- Ford and Mazda entered into a capital alliance in 1979 when Ford acquired a 25 percent stake in the Hiroshima-based company. That partnership was further strengthened in 1996 when Ford increased its stake in Mazda to 33.4 percent. -
I just don't like it when ppl waste threads on BS that they make up and then try to use the fact that they might work for Ford in an attempt to make their claim legit.
Last edited by Doubleohsmurf; 12-25-05 at 02:17 PM.
12-25-05 | 03:56 PM
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Let this die! Mazda has not authorized any concepts for a future Rx-7. They are testing power plants for a future rotary sports car, then they'll let the design nerds go totown, but as of most recent news they've authorized concepts of rotary powered coupe. Basically a new Rx-3. But they just released a few drawings and there wasn't much intrest except on the internet so it seems as if that one might be a lost cause.
12-25-05 | 04:08 PM
#50
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Every year that same picture comes back into play and every year people debate as to the reality of the project. Its not going to happen, and that is obvious. There has yet to be a fourth gen prototype, and that pic has been floating around for four years. The only online news source I turn to dealing with rotary engines and rotary powered cars is rotarynews.com. The day they show me real photos and say that Mazda officially said it is going to be released, I won't believe it - and even after they say it, I will be skeptical.